pigeon master Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Hi fellow pigeon shooters, Can anyone give me some advice on which is a good quality cartridge for pigeon shooting? I am using a load of **** at the moment and I don’t have any confidence in them so if anyone has used a good proven cartridge for some time then please let me know what they are, and how much I should pay for a thousand. Cheers lads, Happy woodie shooting PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Hi justin! This subject has been discussed extensively in the past.The cartidge that suits me won't necessarily suit you as well(and vice versa).I have been very lucky recently to have bought a few thousand of Rotweil cartidges very cheaply(32 gr,high velocity £90 for a thousand) from bywell shooting centre in Northumberland.I have been very impressed with them(especially at that price!).Try them if you can get your hands on them. Savvas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowstopper Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Pm I have found express very good in the past they make good cartridges, I have 2 say that there BB load cartridges are very good, but also a good way 2 get cheap cartridges is 2 use cartridges which your local gunsmith loads, I hav found these 2 be cheap and good as well. crowstopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishandshoot Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 I agree with CS Express special game 6's seem to be best for me, they are a little more ££££, but it soon pays off when you drop more with the first barrel. I usually pay around £109 for a 1000. I know some people that only ever shoot 7.5 trap loads at everything. The theory being you reduce the variation between each cart. as you get used to using only one. Cheers FAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Sean R~ Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 I use Rio 6's for everything (apart from wildfowling!) but its a matter of personal opinion. Dont know how much they are for 1000 cus I only buy them in 250's! (it would be something about £80-90 per 1000) Yours Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Gamebore Clear Pigeon 30g 6's or Kent Velosity 32g 6's. Both very good cartridges. They sort out the Ducks on the flight ponds too. Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowstopper Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 i use 5's 32g 4 pigeons Express BBs are the best u can get crowstopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyni Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 7 1/2 28gram does the trick for me. For those that say too many runners with that sort of load I would have to beg to differ IMO you get a runner when you don't hit the target properly or are out of range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 I use Hull Cartridge Special Pigeon No. 6 in the 12g for everything (Pigeon, Clays, Rough shooting) and same in No. 7 game & clay for the 16 & 20g I dont get many winged birds but I think thats as much down to your level of shooting experience ( I agree with Jonnyni on this) rather than the cartridge and load size. Buy the best you can afford, get used to it, and stick with it. FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddeer 40 Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 I use Gamebore Super Trench nr 6, 32 gr whole year for everything. I use them now for the fifth year and do not want anything else. I think if you use always the same cartridge year in year out your shooting wil improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowstopper Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 i hav just always used 5's 32 for pigeons, seem 2 get on with that size, might as well not change. crowstopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacchus180 Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Eley VIP 28g/30g no6 and no7 works fine for me, I tell you what though.... was in Iceland shooting puffins and razorbill in may and they insisted on using 42g no3 I stopped halfway through the second day and just couldn't raise my gun any more.... convinced a 30g 6 shot load would have worked just as well... I shoot mallard in range with them and they crumple just fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Express, 12GA, Pigeon Special, Fibre wad and 30g load. Works for me and not too many runners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon master Posted June 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Hi, cheers for the info on all the popular cartridges which are used for shooting woodies. I think I will go and get myself a few boxs of the ones you mention and go from there. Thanks PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 viri game 30g 6.5 fibre wad, around £130 per 1000 or Hull sterling gam e32/34g 70mm fibre 5 or6's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Hello M Robson & Bacchus I would be very interested to see you shoot Ducks & Mallard with 30/32 gram No 6,s.Would next week be okay? I know it is out of season, but heck why worry with legal things? in for a penny in for a pound. See you on visiting days, your old mate P.C. Plod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Eley Hawk Pigeon Special 32gms 61/2 shot, felt wad. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Dear Salopian, If you took the time to read my personal details you would find out that I live in SCOTLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kind regard, M ROBSON law abiding shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Mark, I am very happy to hear that you are law abiding,I hope everyone else takes note of mine & your comments.Because hate it as I do we have to be responsible in the use of non-lead loads, and every other contentious issue which blights our sport. Kind regards Salopian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white fox Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Judging by all the variety of makes and shot sizes listed above, it just proves that any cartridge is effective so long as it is aimed at the bird, and the bird is in range. I haven't used plastic wad for about 10 years, only felt wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ears Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Pigeon Master. This season i bought a load of Kent Velocity 32g plas 6 shot made by Gamebore. They cost about £99.00 per thousand now, and they are very good for the money. If you want a cracker try RC SIPE 32g 5 shot plas wad around £131.00 per thou these really are good for the high *******. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 I haven't used plastic wad for about 10 years, only felt wad. Some people rightly belive that the plastic keeps a better pattern. However if your going to miss, your going to miss! Plus they litter the environment, and bad for fields that may have grazing on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene molloy Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Red wrote Some people rightly belive that the plastic keeps a better pattern. Not necessarily so M'Lud. Actually patterning cartridges in a meaningful way is mind bogglingly boring, but it does beat "belief". It's what shows up on the plate wot counts. Some plastic loads are good, some are not. Some fibre loads are good some are not. Ferinstance, I've compared a Rottweil plastic to a RIO fibre; the Kraut Kartridge Kame a Krap seKond. And annuver fing, you'ld be amazed at the variation in sizes of shot claimed on the box, and what's actually in the squib. In some brands the size variation in the same cartridge is pretty wide too. To test that sort of stuff you need a micrometer, the ability to use it, reference tables, and some understanding of Gaussian distribution curves. Knowing about XL helps too, but this is not what you guys taking exams need right now! Regards Eug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Eug I know what your on about, but Im not taking exams, and definateley dont need it right now, or ever. Im sure that youve done what most of us have done. Found a cartridge that does the job and suits you and your pocket. Its simple, the right size of lead in the right place will do the job. Misses are rarely the fault of the cartridge. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 To quote the late Chris Craddock "What,s hit is history, what,s missed is a mystery." Another thing you could do is pattern your selected cartridge on a board or old fertilizer bag (remember you need the average of at least 10) and then check the penetration on an old telephone directory and if both are to your requirements stick with them, the rest will be down to your skill.Nothing beats experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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