red_stag88 Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 (edited) Hi all, As my FAC should be done soon, I was thinking about the possiblity of a FAC shotty. It would mainly be for in the hide and maybe the occasional day on the forshore. I would prefer it to be a pump, as I am a smidgin wary of the reliability off SA's. The possibilities currently are the Nova and one I found on Guntrader for £50 Any ideas? Red NB The one on guntrader is a Stevens Edited September 26, 2004 by ernyha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 My first thought is, why anyone would want a FAC shotgun ? The advantage of a larger magazine capacity is overrated, in my opinion. If buying an automatic, I would always go for a semi auto. Having owned three pump autos, I would never own another. I found them to be prone to jamming, time consuming to clean properly and heavy to carry around. Perhaps modern pump actions have eliminated all these faults, but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted September 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 I have also heard that the SA's in my price range are also prone to jamming. Are there no advanteages to a 5 shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 Red the biggest dis-advantage of a 5 shot is the weight of the cartridges in the magazine tube as the ballance of the gun changes every time you fire. PS never owned one myself, The Sniper told me that last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Red, As Cranfield said, why do you need one ? The first hurdle you have to overcome is that you have to prove to the firearms licensing authorities why you need one, as opposed to a 3 shot one. I used to own a pump action that I used primarily for practical shotgun, many years ago, and then latterly for vermin shooting. That is, on the back of the pickup, lamping for rabbits. The rabbits in the area we used to lamp were so prolific I had a need for an 8 shot. But, as ern said, the front weight of so many cartridges makes the gun very unweildly to use and heavy. IMHO 3 shot is ample for hide purposes. As regards pump vs semi......go for the semi. Much smoother to shoot without dismounting the gun between every shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Ok, so non Fac it is. But for £200 can I get a decent semi which wont jam all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Well I bought a Winchester 1400 for £150 and it was a ****** for jamming. That is until I took it to my gunsmiths, and he showed me how to clean it, and it has been faultless ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 If it jams in the field, what can you do about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palombier Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I appreciate you may now have had your mind made up for you,but the other thing to consider is that a 5 shot is illegal for wildfowling. P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Red, Just as an afterthought, I think I have been fortunate in buying one so cheap, and it is now working okay. Like anything else you get what you pay for, you may buy one but the innards could be absolutely worn out. With mine it was not so much it jammed, that is getting stuck in the breech, it would not feed the second or third cartridge through and would stick. That is easy to remedy out in the field, but is frustrating when you want that second bird down A lot of people on here have said it before, you have to have a good cleaning regime with a semi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I appreciate you may now have had your mind made up for you,but the other thing to consider is that a 5 shot is illegal for wildfowling.P If a five is illegal for waterfowl, i'll stick to three then. Snipe, I watched a man at my local clayshoot with a Browning semi. Every stand it jammed, every time he had it to bits, put it back together and it jammed again. Surely a good pump like the nova wont jam like this? And pumps must be easier to clean too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Red, This is where we get into finding the right cartridge for the gun scenario. My semi will only work with 32 g cartridges. Believe me, I've tried loads of varieties in it !! I am told this is the cartridge they were designed for. Anything less and it won't cycle. I have had jams with my pump, and that could have been the wrong cartridge in it. Did you ask the man with the Browning how long since he had cleaned it ?? A semi suits me, as opposed to a pump, in that you can keep the gun at your shoulder all the time without moving away from the birds to reload. Try both out at the club if you can, try to shoot them quickly, and see which you like. Have you considered one of these new Escort guns ? It might be a bit more than you intended to pay but you are buying a new gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 red, cleaning any auto, whether its a pump or a semi, keeps it operating efficiently. The pump actions I owned, were harder to clean than the semis. I would mention that I had no jamming/recirculating problems with my Beretta 301, or Remington 1100. It would be worth waiting a bit longer and buying a decent seconhand semi auto, than rushing out and buying a cheap pump action. There are some Benelli bargains about, as people are trading up to the new models. Why do you think there are more semis about, than pump actions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I'll keep my pennies then and wait till i can afford a semi. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Good decision Red. When you have saved up enough; buy a Beretta. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTMS Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Red, I bought a Browning B180 semi at a very cheap price (£10) YEAS A TENNER. Fired a lot of 32gram carts through it ie over 1000 now and never jammed once clean it every other trip. Good as gold nice balance too. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I'll take it off you for £15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTMS Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 THAT MUCH who do you think you are SNIPER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 hi red ive got an old fabarm semi auto that i bought from minsterly ranges around 2 years ago i paid £75 for it and to be honest as long as i clean it every 300/400 carts it never misses a beat .ive also got a mossberg 500 3 shot pump that ive never had any trouble with and its great fun to shoot but im none too quick with it :*) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 BTMS, Red's not in my league yet !!! I would have offered you £11.00, plus you pay the postage Actually BTMS, you've just proved what I thought all along. At £10 that proves there is a good Yorkshireman trying to get out of your Scottish frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Actually BTMS, you've just proved what I thought all along. At £10 that proves there is a good Yorkshireman trying to get out of your Scottish frame Can't go along with that statement Sniper, my FRIEND Brian bought me several drinks on that unforgetable night. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 I shoot a Nova pump. You do not need to take it out of shoulder pocket to pump. It needs virtually no maintence and when it does it is stripped in 3 minutes. So far I have dropped it in water, mud, and down a chalk bank of about 20 foot high. I shoot clays at Greenfields in Canterbury ( very usefull for keeping people at arms length ) and shoot an average of 68%. It main use is for pigeons. The downside of ownership is twofold. One the 'traditionalists' will slag you off, and that the importers are total *******! Been waiting since May for an ejector spring. Fortunetly I was able to stretch a shorter spring to fit ejector. So far so good. Its not heavy and I have been told you can fit 4 pigeon load carts in. I would not know about such things. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Berreta 303 -never jams even if you dont clean it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I shoot a Nova pump. Quite fancy one of them. I shouldn't think I'd use it as an 'everyday' but I just love the action of the pump shotgun. Plus of course I have a slot for a multishot burning a hole in my FAC...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Mark, If you have your FAC organised you can get an extension tube that will allow you to hold five 3 1/2 cartridges (should you be tempted to use shorter cartridges you will be able to fit in more) It takes minutes to fit and you will feel like an armed blagger for a while but it wears off quickly. I love taking it to clay grounds to do a 100 clays but its when shooting pigeons that it come into its own. Good luck with your decision. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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