Springer pup attacked!!!!!!!!

[dustyfox]

I feel for you as I went through a similar incident. My dog was attacked by a Staffordshire bull terrier, the owner/s about 7 chavs/neds never had a lead for it and told me to let my dog go so my dog could run away from it but I know that which breed is the fastest and Im pretty sure it isnt a Labrador. The staffie managed to bite him first on the front right shoulder then went for his neck, this is when I managed to pick him up and put him on my shoulders while trying to keep this dog of him and me. Luckily I never had to take my dog to the vets but one thing I regret doing is not going to the police and reporting it as it could happen to somebody elses dog. I now carry a beating stick with me anywhere I take my dog because the next one that attacks him will get a crack over the head wheather the owner likes it or not. I have a right to defend my dog dont I?

 

 

 

If he knew he had a vicious dog why did he ever let it off the lead he never gonna know if another dog is gonna turn up round the corner. Stupidity of some people today amazes me. That dangerous dog should be put down, if that dog is aggressive towards other dogs what would it be like around children.

 

I would try and socialize your dog with other friendly dogs asap preferably dogs over 2 years old but let him have his fun with other puppies as well.

 

Have you taken photo's of the injured areas of your puppy? Make sure the owner gets whats coming for him. I know its probably not the dogs fault but that should be put to sleep before it does kill.

 

How much is the vet bill or have you got Insurance?

 

Df

[coptleigh]

Hi Dustyfox,

The vet bill was £353, which I had to pay up front, then claim it back from the insurance, but there is a £60 excess, which I'm going to persue him for plus travel to the vets which was about 20miles away,so 4 trips there, As for photos, taken already for any comming court case.

 

He settled well back in the house, but will keep an eye on him through the night, if i could sleep with him i would, but his bed ain't big enough for the both of us.

#

Alan

[dustyfox]

have you got a blanket with your smell on it? it may make him feel more safe.

 

Take the guy to court and let your puppy have revenge. The person should be barred from having any animals in his life.

 

Take a walking/beating stick out with you every time you take your dog out, if a dog attacks your dog crack it over the head, its the only way the owner will learn.

[triscrx]

Sorry to see this post, My springer was attacked when he was a puppy by a bigger dog and it made him very withdrawn for a while but he went back to his normal springer mentality soon after. I hope he gets back to norn soon and the irresponsible owner is prosecuted

[hawkeye]

Hope your pup recovers OK i got my springer marco in Feb this year at 2.1/2 yrs old fully trained to the gun, great never bothered with other dogs unless you told him he could play( my mates lab. cocker. german shep ect ).

Anyhow we were out for a walk the middle of march as soon as he saw another dog he would come to heel without been told and just stay there till you told him to go play.

This day he came back to heel as we saw a Dalmatian (biggest sod i have ever seen ) coming towards us on the other side of the field any way this dog came running over with its tail wagging as soon as it got close it started snarling and went straight for marco who run about 20yds away trying to get away.

I managed to kick the bloody thing in the ribs and then the owner turn up full of apologies.

He got short shift with me i was that mad and i told him if i ever saw him again and his dog was not on a lead and it came anywhere near me or my dog he had better have a body bag with him to carry it home..

It has taken 6 months for marco to have confidence in going near another dog, my mates that have dogs and he knows he is OK with now but even that took a while but if he sees one we have never met before he comes to heel and sits for me to put him on the lead i think he feel safer with it on..

but once he has met them and there is no threat he is his old self (typical springer)

Edited November 8, 2008 by hawkeye

[Imperfection]

Take a walking/beating stick out with you every time you take your dog out, if a dog attacks your dog crack it over the head, its the only way the owner will learn.

 

A small can of deodrant also does the trick.If threatened-spray the dogs face as smell is a dogs most important sense and will easily stop a fight.Im not comfortable with beating a dog because they act on instinct and dont understand consequence.Better to beat living daylights out of the owner instead as they should have known better.

[dustyfox]

A small can of deodrant also does the trick.If threatened-spray the dogs face as smell is a dogs most important sense and will easily stop a fight.Im not comfortable with beating a dog because they act on instinct and dont understand consequence.Better to beat living daylights out of the owner instead as they should have known better.

 

I dont have any intention of putting my hands near an aggressive dog cause they will snap at the can when you spray them. Plus you have much more use when out with a walking stick.

[kentishsteve]

been reading these posts and found myself getting more and more annoyed i just dont understand these thick people if the idiot knew his dog was aggressive why didn't he have it on a lead and muzzled is it really going to take a court appearence for him to do what he should of been doing. Also i dont know why but when you first described this incident i had a vision of the owner of the pit bull walking along wearing a baseball cap and a hoodie and drinking a can of lager

[coptleigh]

Police have just left and taken an extensive statement, she is of the opinion that she will push this as far as it will go and demand that the dog be destroyed and the owner fined at least, she was really supportive and unnderstood fully the seriousness of the incident and what may happen in the future,

When she goes to arrest him, she will be taking the dog patrol officer, and if its a banned dog, then it may be removed there and then, so they are not taking it lightly.

 

So, it was a long wait, but in the end worth it.

#As for Bramble, he is looking well, he has found his appetite and is dying to get outside again, but I got to take it easy with him until his stitches heal a bit more, may take him for a longish walk, somewhere very safe tomorrow, get some fresh air in his lungs.

Cheers

 

Alan

 

PS, Skinhead with a Berghaus jacket!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dustyfox]

Police have just left and taken an extensive statement, she is of the opinion that she will push this as far as it will go and demand that the dog be destroyed and the owner fined at least, she was really supportive and unnderstood fully the seriousness of the incident and what may happen in the future,

When she goes to arrest him, she will be taking the dog patrol officer, and if its a banned dog, then it may be removed there and then, so they are not taking it lightly.

 

So, it was a long wait, but in the end worth it.

#As for Bramble, he is looking well, he has found his appetite and is dying to get outside again, but I got to take it easy with him until his stitches heal a bit more, may take him for a longish walk, somewhere very safe tomorrow, get some fresh air in his lungs.

Cheers

 

Alan

 

PS, Skinhead with a Berghaus jacket!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hopefully he gets what coming for him. I would right to the local paper as well, people should know about this in your local area name and shame the owner.

[Lloyd90]

I agree Tarka,I have 2 staffordshire bull terriers and before people start to say evil devil dogs,its how they are brought up.I never have and never will let mine of a lead not because of the breed,but because I am a responsible owner. Hope the pup is doing ok coptleigh

 

 

One house I used to go to when delivering pizza's (Part time job while in school ) had the nicest staffy you would ever meet. Used to greet you brilliantly at the door and was such a lovely dog.

 

Some people's dogs are just wildly out of control and more often than not the attitude of the owners is a DISGRACE!

 

My neighbour has two lovely dogs, he used to have a greyhound for years but it turned a bit vicious after he got another dog aswell. When it bit him he did the responsible thing and had it put down. The dog was his pet for a good 8 years but once it bit him he knew it wouldn;t think twice about biteing another person and did the responsible thing!

[Newsportshooter]

I see that you have reported it to the police. Good. I then see comments like ' hopefully the dog will be destroyed' which makes me sad. It is not the dogs' fault, it's in it's instict, it is solely the fault of the *** who did not have it on a lead. As a dig lover I feel for you and your dog, have qalso ben in a similar situation - and got bit myself, but also I am concerned for the fate of the other dog.

 

I take it the police are treating it as a dog 'dangerously our of control' see dangerous dogs act - I think they would struggle to push for the ABH on you unless the owner had intentionally set it on you. Unfortunately that means there is little chance of them seeking compensation from the courts for your losses (vet bills etc) try asking plod about 'conditional cautions' for the offender. However if they are sucessful with prosecution for the dangerous dogs offence you could always take the owner to civil court and try to recoup your losses there.

 

Hope dog and owner return to full fitness with haste and good luck should you try to claim for your loses.

[coptleigh]

I am not interested in seeking compensation for myself, his vet bills will be covered by his insurance, if thet want to persue him for the costs, then its up tpo them, i'm quite happy to forfeit the excess,

Yes I realise that its not the dogs fault entirely, if a dog is inherently vicious and cannot be controlled, then I think its only right that it should be put down, it cannot be trusted and what will it attack next, small children, etc etc.

 

My only concern is with my 17week old pup,minding his own business, out for a gentle evening stroll, being savaged by a breed of dog, who's only intention in life is to be as aggressive as possible to other dogs, these aren't pets, they are vicious animals, that have no place out and about, where responsible owners are, HE knew what it would do, so why not have it on a leader and/or muzzled.

 

But no, they are a badge of honour to the few who think it is HARD, to have a vicious dog, and probably get some kind of peverse kick out of it attacking other animals, I bet it was some topic of mirth at his local haunt, well with some luck he will have no dog soon and hopefully he will receive some penalty for his disregard of common sense behaviour in public areas.

 

As the dog bit me also, it goes from a civil case to a criminal one, according to the DD Act, I'n not worried about the hole in my hand, far from it, if I could have protected my pup from any injury whatsoever, by putting myself in the way i would have done so, but this was not the case,

As it is he is now going to have to be re socialised over a period of time, and i have been offered help from other board members, that I will take up as soon as he is back to fitness and his wounds have healed, physical injuries we can see, and know when they are OK, psychologically, these will take more time, and may possibly never be the same again, but I will try my hardest to make sure this young pup will get the best on offer to help him regain his confidence and make a good working gundog his pedigree would suggest.

 

Thanks to all who have commented and offered support, i might not agree with parts of some posts, but I do respect your opinion.

 

Alan

[coptleigh]

Update on the boy, seen by the vet and she is pleased that everything is healing fine and his lame back leg, looks like it only took a heavy knock and is comming on fine, he has to go back next Wednesday to have the stitches out.

 

i would love to train him myself, but work etc its difficult, Can anyone recommend somewhere in the north east, around durham area preferably where there is someone who trains gundogs.

 

Cheers

Alan

[Lancs Lad]

Sorry to say, but I think that staffies and the such like should be banned.

 

Plain and simple. There are probably a few nice ones out there, but no chance would I let one anywhere near my kids, in my house or near my dog.

 

 

Just dont trust them at all. Them or the "standard" chav owner in trackies and stripey jumpers.

 

 

Saying that, Ive had jazzie nobbled by other dogs, 1 was a cocker at the game fair, the other was by a lab on our shoot.

 

He aint a nasty boy, just goes over and has a sniff as they do, both times been snapped on the face, so it happens.

 

But as for the bloke saying..."it will have your dog" then what the hell is it still doing alive....................

[chris921]

sorry to hear about your dog instead of the staffys being banned it should be the idiots that keep them and make them that way who should be banned it is just far to easy to go out and get a dog these days then its not the idiot chavs that get the reputation its the dog i think it is a very very sad state of affairs as most of the staffys out there are nice as pie its only the tossers that abuse them that turn them that way as most of the stories you hear about the dogs biting people are owned by low life chavs.

[Billy.]

Sorry to hear about your pup. My lab always gets attacked and it's always because he's so friendly towards other dogs and they get defensive and bite him. The dog owners always say it's my dog that bit theirs, but when you truly know your dog, you know they're just saying it because it's not the first time their dog has bitten another.

 

Top man for getting in there and fighting that dog off, I truly feel for your pup and hope it gets better. Oh and I hope the other dog gets put down at the least.

[Shaz]

So sorry you and your pup have gone through this, i hope you get justice for what has happened.

I have a Staffy and he is the most laid-back sociable dog you could wish to meet. He is very well trained and trustworthy and i do let him off the lead. The problem with the staffy's and other bull breeds and X's is the owner!!! The dogs are all trainable and if you have any doubt about your dogs reactions, regardless of what breed it is, then keep it on the lead!!

In answer to someone asking what force you could use to defend your own dog i can only tell you wat happened to a neighbour of mine.

The children were playing in the front garden (fenced with a gate closed) when a hoodie walked past with his Pitt type off lead. The dog jumped the 3ft high gate and charged snarling at the children. The childrens own dog, a little scruffy Benji look-a-like who was lying in the hallway, ran out to protect the kids and got into a fight with the Pitt. Being seriously underpowered the little dog was losing and was in the jaws of the Pitt. The neighbour had got his kids in the house and commenced kicking the pitt to release his dog. The Pitt owner yelling abuse at neighbour saying the little dog attacked first (even though he was in his own garden and pitty was about to attack the children). The Pitt was so strong that neighbour could not get it off his dog and pitt owner offered no help just abuse. So neighbour runs into the house and kitchen, being the 1st room inside the door, he grabs a knife off the counter and stabs the Pitt 2x's in the back. The pitt looses it's hold and attacks neighbour biting him several times before neighbour can pick his dog up and get in the house.

Pitt owner takes his dog home and neighbour rushes his very badly injured dog to the vets for emergency surgery. On his return home he is met by the Police who arrest him!! He is charged with cruelty to animals for the injury he inflicted on the pitt. He has to pay the pitts veterinary treatment and some compo to the pitt owner (about £300 total).

What is the World coming too? Despite the fact that the pitt is a banned breed and the owner admitted it was a pitt in court, it was off-lead, out of control and threatened children, seriously injured a dog, before biting their father. Any charges which may have been faced by pitt owner were dropped and they persued the neighbour saying he used unreasonable force to stop the attack and caused injury and suffering to the pitt. Pitt owner went home smirking about his win and still continued to walk his dog off lead, my neighbour moved house because the kids were so traumatised about what happened.

[ChrisNicholls]

So sorry you and your pup have gone through this, i hope you get justice for what has happened.

I have a Staffy and he is the most laid-back sociable dog you could wish to meet. He is very well trained and trustworthy and i do let him off the lead. The problem with the staffy's and other bull breeds and X's is the owner!!! The dogs are all trainable and if you have any doubt about your dogs reactions, regardless of what breed it is, then keep it on the lead!!

In answer to someone asking what force you could use to defend your own dog i can only tell you wat happened to a neighbour of mine.

The children were playing in the front garden (fenced with a gate closed) when a hoodie walked past with his Pitt type off lead. The dog jumped the 3ft high gate and charged snarling at the children. The childrens own dog, a little scruffy Benji look-a-like who was lying in the hallway, ran out to protect the kids and got into a fight with the Pitt. Being seriously underpowered the little dog was losing and was in the jaws of the Pitt. The neighbour had got his kids in the house and commenced kicking the pitt to release his dog. The Pitt owner yelling abuse at neighbour saying the little dog attacked first (even though he was in his own garden and pitty was about to attack the children). The Pitt was so strong that neighbour could not get it off his dog and pitt owner offered no help just abuse. So neighbour runs into the house and kitchen, being the 1st room inside the door, he grabs a knife off the counter and stabs the Pitt 2x's in the back. The pitt looses it's hold and attacks neighbour biting him several times before neighbour can pick his dog up and get in the house.

Pitt owner takes his dog home and neighbour rushes his very badly injured dog to the vets for emergency surgery. On his return home he is met by the Police who arrest him!! He is charged with cruelty to animals for the injury he inflicted on the pitt. He has to pay the pitts veterinary treatment and some compo to the pitt owner (about £300 total).

What is the World coming too? Despite the fact that the pitt is a banned breed and the owner admitted it was a pitt in court, it was off-lead, out of control and threatened children, seriously injured a dog, before biting their father. Any charges which may have been faced by pitt owner were dropped and they persued the neighbour saying he used unreasonable force to stop the attack and caused injury and suffering to the pitt. Pitt owner went home smirking about his win and still continued to walk his dog off lead, my neighbour moved house because the kids were so traumatised about what happened.

 

An incredible story and truly bizarre outcome. I agree with your sentiments - what is the world coming to?

 

Does this story illustrate that if somebody protects themselves or their kids or dog against such an attack they would be breaking the law?

Surely the victim has rights too?

[pair away]

i take it that this ( pit jumping the fence ) all happened within the last few months ? the police have the power to impound any dog they think is a pit bull or pit bull type any time they like , two years ago they would have because it was in the news alot that this type (of dog ) was making the headlines , now its " KNIFE CRIME " and as the guy used a knife this is probably why he got into trouble for it , this stinks !!!!! we should all be able to defend our kids and homes in any way we need to .

[al4x]

there must be more to that story as police are well aware of Pitts and the number that have been used to attack officers in London has gone up and there have been numerous cases where officers have shot the dog, so I find it very hard to believe that a dog attack in someones own garden would go that way and there is no way the owner would have able to admit having a banned breed in court without having the dog seized and destroyed.

[dogman]

I wish your pup well in its recovery. Just to note, if ever a dog charged one of mine, I'd let mine go. This will give it the chance to run away, rather than be trapped on the end of a slip lead. I believe if my dog is being attacked it has the right to defend it self or run, not be tugged around on a lead therefore rendering it virtually defenseless.

[coptleigh]

I agree with your thoughts on the matter, but I didn't even have the chance to let it go, the dog was on us in a flash, and I think that the speed it covered about 40yards, my little spaniel would not have had a chance to get away, I think the only thing that saved him was, me pulling his leader and that split second, it got his neck away from its jaws, thats why he suffered the damage to his shoulder, leg and side.

 

As an update, he is virtually back to normal now, still very shy of other dogs, but we had him to a dog training class tonight, to try and re socialise him, very scared at first, but was comming out of his shell towards the end, and only c*****d once, but he did join in with the group of dogs doing the lessons and showed nearly all them up in the sitting to command, stay etc,

Still waiting for the police to get back to me , last I heard they were out to arrest the owner and see what type exactly the dog was, it was a pitt bull cross of some sort, if my memory is correct, anyway they were going with a officer from the dog section , who deals with this kind of offence, but still awaiting news.

Bramble recently on a quiet walk out.

[chris921]

nice markings

[dogman]

A nice looking young dog, I hope all goes well for you with Brambles