El Nino Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Does anyone know if you could modify a windscreen wiper intermittent controller to work with a flapper? The control systems I have looked at are a bit expensive Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nino Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 QUOTE (Cranfield @ Mar 26 2004, 03:55 PM) So, I need an on/off switch, fixed to 30 yards of wire, or a remote. It would appear that both, are as hard to find as rocking horse droppings. Cranfield go to your nearest electrical retailer. ask him for whatever length of twin-core cable you need, a simple on /off switch and the rest is easy. Connect one end of the cable to the connections on the switch, one of the wires at the other end of the cable to the battery and the other to one of the wires on the flapper. The other wire from the flapper goes to the battery as normal. It's not rocket science and should cost less than a fiver. The only drawback in using a long cable to a low voltage battery is that there will be some loss of power due to the resistance of the cable which can cause either a slight slowing down of the flapper and/or a quicker discharge of the battery. Hope this helps and is what i will be trying on my own flapper. Does it work ernyha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Does it work ernyha? No, stupid idea, where did you get that rubbish from? Yes it works but I got that tied up with switching,getting the gun in position and tripping over the wire that I abandoned the idea. Chatted to a mate who likes to play about with electronic things and he made me an automatic timer which does 30 seconds on and 3 minutes off. Still not too happy with it though as there is now no control on whether it flaps at the time you need it most or not. Dear bit of kit as well as the components cost him nearly £4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nino Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 OK, but it does work? Is there anywhere online you can point me at the exact components I need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 OK, but it does work? Is there anywhere online you can point me at the exact components I need Right then, yes flappers do work and yes, if you can control when they flap and when they don't I think that is the best way. Several of us have tried the flapper in the continual flap arrangement and our opinion is that it draws the pigeons in but they then fly off as they think the pigeons on the ground are taking off. If you are happy with a long piece of wire and a switch then go for it, as in my opinion that is the best way. Or the more expensive de-luxe version is a remote control unit to eliminate the wire. To sum up in my opinion continual flapping is not as good as some sort of "on-off" arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 try a foot switch instead of a hand switch, components from maplin electronics, plastic box about £1, hold down switch on/release off about the same price, still the cable problem but remote is more exspensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nino Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 OK, but it does work? Is there anywhere online you can point me at the exact components I need Right then, yes flappers do work and yes, if you can control when they flap and when they don't I think that is the best way. Several of us have tried the flapper in the continual flap arrangement and our opinion is that it draws the pigeons in but they then fly off as they think the pigeons on the ground are taking off. If you are happy with a long piece of wire and a switch then go for it, as in my opinion that is the best way. Or the more expensive de-luxe version is a remote control unit to eliminate the wire. To sum up in my opinion continual flapping is not as good as some sort of "on-off" arrangement. Sorry mate, I meant did the button work well except from the problems of pressing it, getting the gun etc. Is it simple to do even if you are an electrical novice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Sorry mate, I meant did the button work well except from the problems of pressing it, getting the gun etc. Is it simple to do even if you are an electrical novice? Easiest thing to do in the world, just a switch and a piece of wire. In fact after only one lesson, Cranfield was teaching others how to do it. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...l=flapper&st=15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 When you get to the "Old and Feeble" stage it is hard to do two things, (work the switch and shoot), at once........ . Sorry mate....I know that one is going to cost me..... :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 I do indeed use the Ernyha non patented , on/off switch method. The way I use it, is to have the control in my left hand. I switch it on if I see any pigeons in view. Once they appear to have seen it and head my way, I turn it off. If they look like they may bypass me, I turn it on for a few flaps. Definitely do not leave it on.............the less flapping the better, I usually do a three flap burst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nino Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 So would this: http://autoeurope.co.uk/productinfo.asp?productID=669 or http://www.cybermarket.co.uk/mod_perl/search/shop-search.cgi do? Combined with this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?Module...orldID=&doy=8m2 Suffice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 When you get to the "Old and Feeble" stage it is hard to do two things, (work the switch and shoot), at once........ . Sorry mate....I know that one is going to cost me..... :*) Not at all NTTF you know i don't bear grudges. Forgot to mention, my rooms are fully booked at the dates of your visit but I know a very expensive hotel nearby. :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Now I am feeling distraut... Figured that would hit me in the wallet....can I make it up with a couple of pints.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nino Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Or even this switch http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?Module...orldID=&doy=8m2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Yes. You want a Relay from a ford windscreen wiper system. Its cheap and cheerfull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nino Posted February 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 How would I go about fitting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinois Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hi, I can get hold of a 12 volt remote relay that works up to 50 metres. Does that sound any good? Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nino Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Yesmate. What sort of cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinois Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Hi, I think with postage about £35-£40 Also I am the main rep in the UK for Dogtra e-collars that work up to half a mile away, I will ask the company if they can do anything with the cheapest collar, the really cheap one works at 200 yards. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nino Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Do you know if it could easily be connected up to a flapper or rotary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinois Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Hi, it can be connected to any 12 volt DC device. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nino Posted February 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Even for us less electronically gifted than most :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinois Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Hi, well all it is, is a remote switch you connect it in between the battery and you 12 volt componant then the relay just intereupts the power supply on/off. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Been thinking about this, by using a 555 timer with capacitor and potentiometer it would be possible to set up the system to be on or off for predetermined durations. Component costs are very low, only problem being that the 555 won't drive really heavy loads like motors direct so you'd have to run it through a relay. Simple enough system to make, would fit inside a box the size of a matchbox. Small voltage dropper in the circuit and it could all run off the 12 voly battery that is running the deek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_whitson Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Mmmmm electronics. The fun. The horror. This sort of ****e almost put paid to my three year holiday (Uni ;-), but I mastered it in the end. The trick is not to let it know you're afraid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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