MC Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 The trouble is you cannot use expanding ammunition on approved ranges so you would need a FMJ round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Presumably you mean competitions MC? You can zero and practise with it, as long as you have that condition on your FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Not on a home office aproved range you can't If you are caught using it at bisley well you know the score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 The trouble is you cannot use expanding ammunition on approved ranges so you would need a FMJ round You learn something new everyday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I rarely use anything else there, or at any other range. If that were the case it would be impossible for hunters without access to suitable land to zero their rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I can't find the link to the correct part of the rules and I am about to go home. I found out after taking Mungler to bisley to zero his .223 and he was using ballistic tips and I commented to a club member about how they were disintegrating as the went through the correx target board. I then got told that you are not allowed to use them. If hunters do not have access to zero there rifles then where are they going to use them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I would like to hear the official line, as would the many hundreds if not thousands of people who do this. Most hunters will have land to shoot over (well not all, some will just buy days) but taking the odd shot to check zero, is quite different to testing out ammunition or practicing. Obviously zero'ing with FMJ's and then using totally different expaning ammo to hunt with is no use at all. This could actually be an interesting thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rarms Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 MC is right, expanding is banned at Bisley. However, some expanding looks very similar to non-expanding. A-max and V-max... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 whats the idea woth not allowing expanding ammunition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) I used HP .22 LRs at a range once and the RO said there was no problem. They seemed right up to date on the laws, so maybe it isn't a written rule. I'm with Stuart on this one. FMJ's and Softpoints will fly differently and group differently, so how can you zero on an approved range and then go and shoot in the field if HP's are banned at ranges. (Obviously you can zero at your land, but there might be some people who can't do that as they might only have a golf course on their permission) Edited January 30, 2009 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I have used it, as does everyone else at the BASC/BRSC running days, in fact they make a point of asking people not to use just for the boar. I used it to take my stalking test with BDS using an instructors gun as did everyone else. It is used by everyone I know who shoots there, and just about everyone you chat to there. IF it is, they need to get the message out there, not that that would stop anyone of course It would be fairly typical though, especially if 2.5" cannons are allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nothing new under the sun... http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/lof...php/t16904.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nothing new under the sun... http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/lof...php/t16904.html Thanks, but it's as confused in that thread as this one is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 From here: http://www.nra.org.uk/common/files/rangeof...regulations.pdf No tracer, incendiary, armour piercing, armour piercing incendiary or any other rounds containing any igniferous or explosive substance may be used on Bisley Ranges at any time unless prior permission has been given by the Director of Shooting. Permission will rarely be given and then only in exceptional circumstances. No mention of expanding, lets hope it's an urban myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Thanks, but it's as confused in that thread as this one is. It's worse than that, it's some of the same people giving different answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Don't know if its specific to Bisley or the person MC was talking to was telling porkies but you can definately using expanding ammo on all the ranges i've ever been to, as long as its not for competition purposes. The only other restrictions i've come across are the explosive/tracer round and the energy limit. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-munsters Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) Not on a home office aproved range you can't I am sec of a H.O approved club, liaison officer for another H.O approved club and shoot on NRA approved ranges 2-3 times a week (its the club thats H.O approved, not the range) I can say, without a doubt, that expanding ammo is NOT banned on approved ranges. I am not saying it isnt banned at Bisley, God knows they have some barking rules/regs down there, but on your normal, run of the mill range expanding ammo is fine. If you get told it isnt, then go to a different range seems urban myths are the theme of the week this week Edited January 30, 2009 by manc-munsters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I am not saying it isnt banned at Bisley, God knows they have some barking rules/regs down there, Ain't that the truth So until we have proof otherwise, we can assume it's all BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckytrigger Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 The lads at my local range use fmj and expanding nothing is said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnybasher100 Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 you can't use expanding on the electronic targets at bisley because they reck them. but there a extra which you have to pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Its not BS but its not law either. Its another example of those in authority dreaming up new laws and regulations in order to make life more difficult. When expanding ammunition was banned some faceless twit in the home office decided with any consultation that target shooting would not constitute a "good reason" for a FAC holder to have expanding bullets. Since then some Police Authorities have gone beyond their remit and decided that this means expanding bullets CAN'T be used for target shooting which is complete rubbish and not what the regulations state. Most of this stuff is covered by "guidelines" which are NOT law. Other examples of guidelines that exceed the law (1) You can only buy as many expanding bullets as you have provision for live rounds on your FAC. This is a made up regulation but it now has become accepted. You can buy thousands of FMJ bullets no problem. (2) You have to keep unloaded expanding bullets in your safe. Really? where does it say so? (3) You have to show your FAC to buy primers. No you don't, they are not restricted but if you don't show the dealer your FAC he won't sell them to you because he is licenced by the Local Police Authority and if he doesn't follow their "guidelines" he could have his licence revoked so its easier to just toe the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-munsters Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Its not BS but its not law either. Its another example of those in authority dreaming up new laws and regulations in order to make life more difficult.When expanding ammunition was banned some faceless twit in the home office decided with any consultation that target shooting would not constitute a "good reason" for a FAC holder to have expanding bullets. Since then some Police Authorities have gone beyond their remit and decided that this means expanding bullets CAN'T be used for target shooting which is complete rubbish and not what the regulations state. Most of this stuff is covered by "guidelines" which are NOT law. Other examples of guidelines that exceed the law (1) You can only buy as many expanding bullets as you have provision for live rounds on your FAC. This is a made up regulation but it now has become accepted. You can buy thousands of FMJ bullets no problem. (2) You have to keep unloaded expanding bullets in your safe. Really? where does it say so? (3) You have to show your FAC to buy primers. No you don't, they are not restricted but if you don't show the dealer your FAC he won't sell them to you because he is licenced by the Local Police Authority and if he doesn't follow their "guidelines" he could have his licence revoked so its easier to just toe the line. Most of the stuff quoted as "law" is actually part of the Home Office Guidance to Police issued a few years ago. IE guidance and not law. Easiest way to find out what criteria your local FLO is using is to ask them what section of the Firearms Act they are basing their decision/information on. If they can't give you the relevant section of the Act, then its probably only information gleened from the "guidance". The guidance is downloadable from the Home Office website. Its always handy to have a copy open at the relevant page when discussing anything with your FLO. Personally, I come under GMP and they have proved professional and extremely helpful in my years as a shooter. I have never been limited to holding only expanding bullets up to my live ammo allowance and neither have I been asked to store my expanding heads in a safe. I have, in the last 18 months, been asked to show my FAC each time I have bought primers and occasionally when I have bought nitro powder. It may not be a requirement of the Firearms Act, but it does lean towards a common sense approach to reloading. Much more sensible than having reloading presses "on ticket" which is what ACPO were recommending a few years ago! Edited February 1, 2009 by manc-munsters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Not on a home office aproved range you can't If you are caught using it at bisley well you know the score. Strange that, as I bought 100 spitzer .222 at Bisley and 100 FMJ 6.5`s and the guy in the armoury knew I was on the ranges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Nothing I have read here will stop me from using expanding ammo at Bisley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Strange that, as I bought 100 spitzer .222 at Bisley and 100 FMJ 6.5`s and the guy in the armoury knew I was on the ranges I bought some Alphamax in my local shop on saturday but he would get fairly ****** off if I used them there. I can only relay the information that I have, if you choose to carry on then do so, it will not be me who gets asked not to shoot there agaiin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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