caplock Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Hi all, Has anybody seen any of these before. I guess it's a question for the 'old sweats'! They are paper cased, smokeless 6shot and from reading the packaging throw out a bright light with the shot pattern. Haven't tried one it would be a shame to judging by the age of them. Anyone know approx what year they were made or how much they're worth?? Cheers John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caplock Posted April 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 another pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 (edited) Worth about £10- £20 depending if you have the origanal 5 cartridges with minimum corrosion and the box is good. Dating from the 60's I beleive. Not worth firing them, shame to blast away a peice of British cartridge making heritage. Edited April 2, 2005 by sam f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter2 Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 for those that have used them back in ye old days were they any good??? and is there any such product available today ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 This is my lucky day, I happen to know the cartridge in question. During the war they where used extensively by the RAF for clay pigeon shooting in the training of air gunners, but in those days they were printed with two black bands and big arrow,(which didn't stop Dad and I from using them). However, I think the one's in the pictures are sample hand-outs of a slightly later date. That's the best I can do, except to say, It was rather interesting to see a little "tracer" going through the air. Best regards, Feather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 There have been a couple of threads on tracer cartridges, here's one of them. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...acer+cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caplock Posted April 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Ahh... when in doubt call pigeon watch out! Cheers Ern for the link to the thread. I wont be firing any, they make a nice little curio from days gone by. There is a warning on the box not to fire near any dry cover within 75 yards and also a word about eating any shot game taken with them. I wonder whats in them,no doubt something very banned in these health and safety days!! Cheers John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dog Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 I know how you feel about not wanting to use them. I have 6 Eley #6 paper/waxed cartridges which are at least 40yrs old. When I started shooting you could still get them, just. These were the only Eley ammo I liked, personal thing. But these old ones that I found, belonged to my Grandfather and his son. Both dead. They are orange cases. I'm alway temped to use 1 but never do. I have to say I loved paper cases, except on a wet day. I think they renew found memories of my Grandfather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 go on caplock, have some fun happy hunting josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feather Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 They are orange cases. I'm alway temped to use 1 but never do. I have to say I loved paper cases, except on a wet day. I think they renew found memories of my Grandfather. Around 1943 the only cartridges available were Eley which came in paper case looked like they were made out of brown wrapping paper, with very little or no weather protection on them. At that time I was an apprentice to the local undertaker in the village of Docking Norfolk, which gave me access to coffin varnish, so whenever I managed to get hold of a box 25 I would give them a coat of 50/50 varnish and turps. There was also a low grade cartridge manufactured for farmers called Scare bird (Eley). They had shot in them but they were always loose, could push the cap in sometimes a 1/4", I had a way of getting around that one too, My Grandfather had a lot of reloading equipment including a crimper, so I would push the load down until it was tight, cut off the old crimp and then turn on a new one. Best Regards, Feather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Hi all,Has anybody seen any of these before. I guess it's a question for the 'old sweats'! :thumbs: They are paper cased, smokeless 6shot and from reading the packaging throw out a bright light with the shot pattern. Haven't tried one it would be a shame to judging by the age of them. Anyone know approx what year they were made or how much they're worth?? Cheers John My word ! ! Are you selling them ? If so get hold of Holts Auctions and find out if they have a valuation day near you You will be supprised what they are worth Old paper carts Always fetch Good money at the auctions i go to they are very! collectable These should be worth a lot more than normal old carts because they are very rare WB PS Nice pics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightbore Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 This is my lucky day, I happen to know the cartridge in question. During the war they where used extensively by the RAF for clay pigeon shooting in the training of air gunners, but in those days they were printed with two black bands and big arrow,(which didn't stop Dad and I from using them). However, I think the one's in the pictures are sample hand-outs of a slightly later date. That's the best I can do, except to say, It was rather interesting to see a little "tracer" going through the air. Best regards, Feather. These were not sample hand out's, this is how they were sold to the masses. They contain a phosphorus "tracer" in the centre of the shot load which was supposed to show you where you were shooting, most of the time you could not see it. Cost a fortune (5 cost about the same as 25 cartridges did) and didn't work very often, as was said before somebody stood behind you done a much better job The phosphorus is poisonous and not really good to eat :o They are collectable and the full box will be worth more. I think they went out of production in the late 60's early 70's (keep the box too some people collect them also) Got a list with the price on somewhere if you want to know what they cost when new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snotty Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Old paper carts Always fetch Good money at the auctions i go to they are very! collectable Are old cartridges worth anything if you havent got the box? I have 5 Eley and 3 Joyce, about 1960's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightbore Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Most old cartridges are worth something, more so with the box than without it. Idiots like me collect them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Old paper carts Always fetch Good money at the auctions i go to they are very! collectable Are old cartridges worth anything if you havent got the box? I have 5 Eley and 3 Joyce, about 1960's? Not arf matey ,, old pinfire carts are like GOLD dust!!! people pay pounds each for used! ones to reload I'll get you some prices on some pinfire carts that you can buy today "you'll be shocked" WB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I think those pinfires were made a little before 1960. About 100 years before, could be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I think those pinfires were made a little before 1960.About 100 years before, could be! My thoughts too , late 1800's anyway They still make them in france so i'm told , They are massively expensive tho WB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Most old cartridges are worth something, more so with the box than without it. Idiots like me collect them by the way Welcome Mr. Eightbore hope you enjoy it here I do a "bit" of collecting my self LOL at least the wife wishes it was a bit Enjoy , WB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightbore Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 by the way Welcome Mr. Eightbore hope you enjoy it here I do a "bit" of collecting my self LOL at least the wife wishes it was a bit Enjoy , WB Well Mr. WB. thanks for the welcome. Try to enjoy it, in fact sure I will. BTW My misses says I collect too much old junk too but when I offered to get ride of some "her" didn't work :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightbore Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 (edited) Not arf matey ,, old pinfire carts are like GOLD dust!!!people pay pounds each for used! ones to reload I'll get you some prices on some pinfire carts that you can buy today "you'll be shocked" WB Out of interest you can buy NEW brass pinfires in quite a few gauge at reasonable prices then you can load them as many times as you want. As long as you look after them of course. So don't even think of buying old cardboard cartridges to reload for shooting. Edited April 28, 2005 by Eightbore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightbore Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 A sample of some old cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannonite Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Hi, I'd say a box of 12 bore "Rockets" goes for around £5 - £7 amongst experienced collectors. The ones pictured are post 1936 and pre 1939, the brand didn't emerge after the war. The pre '36 Rockets have different box and case print, most notably is the rather old fashioned use of SHEWS, as opposed the SHOWS[the flight of the shot]. I have examples in 12, 16, 20 and the wartime cream/red version with a broad arrow mark. Non of these (along with most Eley-Kynoch ICI) brands are regarded as scarce by collectors, value for and individual shell is around £1 or £2. I have seen variations on the cartridge with an FN belgium head-stamp, made under license, and an all orange cased version, presumably no grey cases on hand. In terms of collecting cartridges in general, the rule tends to be; rare Ironmenger or gun maker - good, propriatary brands,e.g. Eley, kynoch - not so good. there are of course always exceptions and I'd urge anyone to consult an experienced collector before disposaal, you may be holding something rare and [relatively] valuable. I'm at around the 1500 pre WWII British paper rolled-top mark, and always keen to buy or swap to get new examples. you can reply to the thread or get me at tony-green@tiscali.co.uk I'm always happy to help with questions, provide photos WHY Cannonite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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