Boromir Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Just took my dogs to the park letting them socialise with two other labs all enjoying themselves until this delinquent owner of a Staffordshire bull terrier entered the field. My two labs and the other two where enjoying themselves and got chatting to the owner of the other two. Then this Stupid owner owner of this SBT came in. At first he decided to walk on the path that led away from us, but then he must of noticed my dogs playing about as he looked up and suddenly took a few steps back and decided to take the path that was leading to me and the dogs, anyway I called my dogs but as they were enjoying themselves they wasnt responding to me as well. At this time the owner of the SBT was standing there waiting for my dogs to come along, as one of my dogs likes to greet everydog it see's he went walking over to it and instantly this Staffy latched onto him just above the front right leg and wasnt letting go. With this my adrenaline kicked in and straight away I pulled my dog of this thing and was about to beat this dog to death but I had my hands full with keeping mine away from it, so the dog got of with it so far. Now my lab that got bitten, he is fine only cause he is a big built lab, if it had been my other lab I think I would of had to gone to the vets, as this thing wasnt letting go. It gave no warning or time for me to get my dog and the owner just stood there doing nault, he did have the SBT on a lead but he deliberately walked in my direction and stood there waiting for a reaction from my dogs. After this the owner of the other two labs came to help me and a man with his springer came running to me to see if everything is alright, they both said that this dog should be shot and the owner of springer said that next time you should bring your shotgun (Obviously in jest) Now I know my dogs wasn't under close control but I didnt have time to do so. I have 3 people who witnessed this and are all on my side do you think I can put a complaint into the police? As my dog doesnt have any puncture wounds that I can see, is it worthwhile? Im sure this is the same Staffy that attacked him about a year ago and I dont want to let the owner or dog of with it this time. Now people can see why I hate the breed and I know alot of you are gonna say its not the dog its the owner. So I dont want this thread going round in circles as has been done in the past end off. Some its the owners fault and some is the breeds fault in this case the owner of the SBT was at fault he knew that my dogs would come over and let his dog do what ever it wanted. I can go on forever with this but I gonna go out and take him for another walk to cool myself down and see if he is walking alright bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronster Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 look at it from onother perspective....guy walks into a park with his dog on a lead under control....two other dogs won't listen to theire owner shouting them back so the guy stands still but the owner of the dogs doesn't have control of his dogs....what can he do and further more what would you have wanted him to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 the blokes dog was on a lead,your dog's were running free.If you go to the police i think they will repeat this.it's a park,the fellow has a right to roam where ever he pleases.now i'm sorry for being harsh i don't meen to be i have a lab exactly the same but the blokes dog was on a lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitfreshairagain Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Blimey i do sympathise with you and the way the sbt owner behaved was provoking however i belive with you not having your dog on a lead you are at fault.The sbt owner technicaly had done all he could to keep his dog under control by having it on a lead restraining it from approaching your or any other dog.Whilst your lab was not under control. Written down it seems very harsh however these are the facts. This sbt owner is obviously a **** so id keep well away if i was you.Hope your lab gets better soon Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 (edited) not a chance mate his dog was under control, yours wasnt. you say he was standing waiting for your dogs to come along? personally anytime i have the rottweilers out and a dog is off the lead in the vicinity i stand still until the owner gets it under control - simple reason is im not going to walk on into a possible situation, and im definitely not going to make my dog turn away only to be attacked from behind by another dog, especially if its a dog that isnt responding to its owner calling it back. if he deliberately walked into it then he deserves a dig, but you dont know why he came back your way sorry mate, wouldnt have happened if your dogs had been under control Edited August 25, 2009 by babbyc1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Im not keen on the breed either but you have to admit from what you have written . You must accept responsibility for what happened . I personally have seen this exact thing happen before and the SBT belonged to a friend of mine . Yes his dog was on the lead but he did nothing to discourage the incident from happening . I told him what he was a **** but he couldnt see he had done wrong. Put it down to experience but be more prepared in future and call your dogs in sooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 its not even the guys dogs fault, some dogs through past experience hate dogs running at them so defend themselves. Chalk it up to experience and practice your recall a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 mate, I don't even trust my 9yo border collie around other dogs off of the lead, not because I'm worried she may attack another dog, but that she may prevoke someone elses. Your fault, live with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Sorry BFG but I'm with the majority here, SBT or any other breed, doesn't matter - your out of control dog ran into a constrained dog... I've got a cantankerous old lab who will nail anything that approaches her too fast when she's on the lead. Time to work on the recall I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I know what your saying about me not having my dog on a lead but I didnt have a chance to. The owner of the SBT just walked into the field. I know he has the right to walk his dog anywhere while on a lead, he should of gave me a chance, but instead of walking in the direction he was gonna go he decided to take a few steps back walk towards me and just stood there. He stood there before my dog even noticed them as he was playing with the other labs, so he was obviously wanting a reaction in which he got one, he was even grinning afterwards. Even the people who witnessed it said I didnt have a chance to and that he deliberately walked in our direction, the owner of the springer even said he knows the dog attacks other dogs. I have also seen this dog and owner and they always take the same direction. Now what I would of liked the owner of the SBT to of done is gave me a minute while he was at the entrance to get my dog on the lead My dog is fine so no damage done other than mental scare for him. And I now know for sure its the owners not the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronster Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 always the owners in my opinion matey...most ov um don't have a clue how to read theire dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun666 Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 its your fault,the police wont do anything as your dogs were off the lead,and your dog went up to his,,his was on a lead,,,,,hope ya dogs ok though,,,,,ive just checked you could actually get done for having your dogs off the lead as they are classed as roaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 its your fault,the police wont do anything as your dogs were off the lead,and your dog went up to his,,his was on a lead,,,,,hope ya dogs ok though,,,,,ive just checked you could actually get done for having your dogs off the lead as they are classed as roaming so I cant take my dog beating cause there roaming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 so I cant take my dog beating cause there roaming? you can, because in that instance theyre classed as working, so dont need to be kept on a lead (being in the same field as the handler is considered enough control), however in this situation (public park) youd probably be well and truly shafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 yes should be on a lead , i get fed up of other peoples dogs running up to mine when im out walking in a public place , they should be under full control at all times and leave other dogs alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin vs Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 No dog should be loose in a public park, in Ireland you would face a fine, they could possibly run up to children, and even if they are placid dogs, some people are terrified of dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 You state you had no time to react and put your dogs on leads,but you also say you tried to call it back,your dog failed to return to you,if it had this situation would not have happened. Your fault for having a dog that does,nt return when called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted August 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 You state you had no time to react and put your dogs on leads,but you also say you tried to call it back,your dog failed to return to you,if it had this situation would not have happened. Your fault for having a dog that does,nt return when called. And everybody never does let there dog of the lead in a public park, I must be the only one in the country then. To say that you never let your dog of the lead while in public place you'll be lieing. Yes my dog was off the lead and most of the time he would come back but he was enjoying himself with the two other labs and was getting a bit hyperactive so he wasnt listening as well. I have 3 witness's who saw everything and are all on my side even though I had my dog off the lead, I even said to them that if that dog attacked mine while mine are on the lead I would off done serious harm to that dog. This dog has got a reputation for attacking other dogs as I have told a few other local people and as soon as I mention a white Staffordshire bull terrier they all seem to know this one. This SBT and its owner are dangerous only a matter of time before it bites a child as he let it off the lead when he go to the other side of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 And everybody never does let there dog of the lead in a public park, I must be the only one in the country then. To say that you never let your dog of the lead while in public place you'll be lieing. nope, i never let my dogs off the lead in public, ever - and thats been everything from rottweilers to pekingese; and the reason ive kept them all on the lead is for the dogs own protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruxie hill Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 bfg after reading your post i think the sbt owner knew what he was doing the owner would have known what response his dog would have givin to friendly dogs coming up to (greet him) why would he turn round and come your way what if it was a child that went up to say hello just my opionion all the bast bruxie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted August 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 nope, i never let my dogs off the lead in public, ever - and thats been everything from rottweilers to pekingese; and the reason ive kept them all on the lead is for the dogs own protection So just cause you have your dogs on the lead doesnt mean everybody else does all the time. I keep my dogs on the lead most of the time, I only let them off when either training them, giving them a little run or letting them socialise with dogs that I know that are safe. If I see another dog that I dont know I put them on the lead till I think its safe. In this case as I keep on saying I didnt have a chance to get them back on the lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) So just cause you have your dogs on the lead doesnt mean everybody else does all the time. I keep my dogs on the lead most of the time, I only let them off when either training them, giving them a little run or letting them socialise with dogs that I know that are safe. If I see another dog that I dont know I put them on the lead till I think its safe. In this case as I keep on saying I didnt have a chance to get them back on the lead. no offence, but you shouldnt have had your dog OFF the lead in public in the first place... and i dont care what everyone else does - im more worried about my dog than what everyone else is doing Edited August 26, 2009 by babbyc1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted August 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 no offence, but you shouldnt have had your dog OFF the lead in public in the first place... I have been looking on the Internet and Defra website and can find no information on having to have my dog on a lead in a Public Area, only found one about having dogs on the lead in a Public area in Manchester. My dog wasnt dangerous either, the only offence I committed was one of my dogs didnt have a coller on him and that wasnt the one that got attacked. So to say I shouldnt allow my dogs of the lead in the first place is bull. I went to put him on the lead but didnt get a chance as he went to greet the other dog in a friendly way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 I have been looking on the Internet and Defra website and can find no information on having to have my dog on a lead in a Public Area, only found one about having dogs on the lead in a Public area in Manchester. My dog wasnt dangerous either, the only offence I committed was one of my dogs didnt have a coller on him and that wasnt the one that got attacked. So to say I shouldnt allow my dogs of the lead in the first place is bull. I went to put him on the lead but didnt get a chance as he went to greet the other dog in a friendly way. im not going to get into a slanging match here. yes, the law is open to interpretation regarding your dog being under control, but i suggest you read this defra leaflet http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/do...wyouleaflet.pdf specifically the bit that says - Any dog is dangerously out of control if: • it injures a person, or • it behaves in a way that makes a person worried that it might injure them. now my reading of that is that all it would take is for your dog to be off a lead and run up to say hello (in a friendly manner) to a child, someone panics and reports it, and then youre gonna be in a world of ****. anyway the legal side is not what i was getting at - what i meant was you never know what will happen when youre out in public, and i am more worried about my dogs welfare than whats legal and whats not - that means i keep my dog on a lead so firstly, it cant cause any damage, eg running in front of a car, knocking someone over, etc, and secondly, which applies here, so that my dog doesnt get injured due to something that was preventable just by putting it on a lead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoCars Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 End of the day, I wouldn't let my dog off the lead unless i am 100% sure the dog is obedient and will return the second I call them, for their own safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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