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  10. What .223 Bullet for a 1 in 9" twist barrel?

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    Markbivvy,

     

    I agree with you forums like this are a mine of information and we would all do well to learn from it. Be aware there are people who could read these forums with less than good intentions!

     

     

    BDS Test

     

    The test is as follows:

    Grouping- Three (3) shots within a prescribed 4-inch circle at 100 meters from the prone position or simulated high seat.

     

    Deer Target- All shots are to be within the 5 scoring ring on Buck Target from ranges and positions shown.

     

    (1) 100 meters (prone or from high seat) 2

    (2) 70 meters (sitting or kneeling) 2

    (3) 40 meters (standing) 2

    6 shots total

     

    Aids: The only aids that may be used are items that the manager will always have available in the field, e.g. Rucksack, Rifle sling, Stalking Stick or Twin Sticks, Bipod, Shooting Bar on high seat etc.

     

    Time limits and Additional Attempts: No formal time limits are laid down but obviously an unrealistic amount of time (e.g. more than 30 seconds) should not be taken for each shot. No more than three (3) attempts at the test may be made on any one- (1) day. Borderline cases, even if they eventually pass, may be required to do more training and take additional tests.

     

     

    This is not a hard test but you would be surprised how many people fail this simple test!

  11. What .223 Bullet for a 1 in 9" twist barrel?

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    Also there are to many vermin shooters with .22 who would certainly not think twice about shooting a roe who do not have the knowledge or experince to shoot roe and who do not have roe or deer on there ticket.

    exactly what you said, and you will have to pardon me, but it does read as though you mean the majority of vermin/ fox shooters.

     

     

    either way you still need a legal calibre!

    they use legal cal in Scotland with no problems why change it. unless you want it to be for a select few.

    there is a thread on the BBS about the same thing right now. which seems to boil down to stalkers think the vermin/fox shooters are incapable of shooting one of there precious beasts. i used to shoot with a keeper, thats passed away now, he never sat any deer management course, new the law inside out and deer husbandrie better than anyone. does this mean he was unworthy.

     

    Did your keeper friend use a .22 NO! Thats my point exactly. You wouldnt be one of the select few if you had a deer legal calibre would you? Deer stalking has never been so popular or accessabile than it is now! As I said before the DMQ etc does not mean your an expert but it does give you an insight and it does test if you can hit a paper target in the correct place. If you cant hit the paper correctly what hope have you of hitting a live beast? Our aim is to cull humainly and effectivley.

     

    My original thread was about the use of.22 for deer and not weather or not i agree with DMQ or not wich incidently i dont because I see mo reason why one company should have the monopoly on the market.

  13. What .223 Bullet for a 1 in 9" twist barrel?

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    so fox and vermin shooters have no morals and will break the law as soon as a deer shows itself.

    if the dmq/dsc, certificate makes you think like this iam glad i dont want one.

    whats the weather like up on them high horses.

     

    Not quite what I said! Most vermin shooters who have an intrest in deer managment would do something about it and not wait per chance for a deer to appear in front of them one day! Your quite right the dmq/dsc does not make you a manager only gives you an insight into deer and the law! Trophy hunting and deer managment are too totaly differnt things either way you still need a legal calibre!

  14. western rivers fox calls

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    thanks I've got an ipod and FM broadcaster (itrip addon). seems to do the trick, accounted for a few foxes with it. I am not 100% happy with the calls i have at the moment.

     

     

    Teal, can you explain your setup, I know the ipod but the broadcaster or itrip only works a short distance to a radio tuned to a certain frequncy?

     

    Varmint Al has some good sounds with built in silence periods.

  15. What .223 Bullet for a 1 in 9" twist barrel?

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    Personaly I would like to see Scotland come in line with English law!

     

    why please.

     

    I think that the majority of .22 Centerfire in the right hands are capable of taking Roe, but in the wrong hands it could lead to terrible wounds. I am not saying you need a magnum calibre for roe but if you have a bigger cal you also have increased energy and hygrostatic shock which can make up for slight errors in bullet placement.

     

    This does not mean if you shoot a roe in the **** with a cannon you will get an instant kill because of the size of the round although i have no doubt it would die! The shock wave would be massive :good:

     

    Also there are to many vermin shooters with .22 who would certainly not think twice about shooting a roe who do not have the knowledge or experince to shoot roe and who do not have roe or deer on there ticket.

     

    I would personly only recomend a minimum of 100 grain bullet for all deer! I know there are people on this forum who disagree.

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