ChAoS
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Dang. I've been rumbled...no one will know if you point it at stuff and mutter 'bang'
After my last post, I had a quick "grope" on YouTube to see if I could find film of someone deploying a safety-flag. No chance.
Either my "Google-fu" on YouTube is shot to Hell or we need some introductory shotgun videos. (I *have* been finking of doing video reviews of my Ithaca M37 DSPS and Chiappa 1887, but I'm too lazy...)
Regards,
Mark.
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How do you get the flag past the shell lifters?
Smart****.
I can't actually *visualize* it, right now. I reckon, with the "standard" plastic Napier flag, that it's narrow enough for the forks to pass. (Unless mine are bent wider than yours.) With my spring-loaded one, it's not an issue because the spring keeps the bolt right back.
It would appear that I'm going to have to get me gun out and investigate, later today.
I will say that I've never had a problem using a flag with the M37. (I don't think that those plastic "hole-bunger-upper" types would fit, though, *if* I remember correctly.)
Or do you stuff it in the mag as normal and pump?
Absolutely *not*.
Regards,
Mark.
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My problems will eley's first are also failure to eject.
I assume that you mean "Failure To *Extract*"? I've had a few problems with my M37s but I've *never* had an FTEj.
it would get stuck good and proper.My FTEx woes got worse but never got so bad that I had to use a rod to get the fired hull out.
I did think it could be weak exstractors causing the problem.
Indeed. Until I fitted dem spares, the problem didn't *completely* go away.
I haven't put this down the cartraidge lengthAs far as cartridge *length* is concerned, my M37 appears to "eat" *anything* - from long buckshot (6+1) down to extra-short carts for old guns (10+1).
When comparing the eley first with other brands the "lip" on the base seems to be quite small and not as pronounced which might not be giving enough area for the exstractor to claw around.You are following my footsteps; I've been through the rim-measuring saga as well.
I am just happy to avoid the firsts and stick to comp x & super fast.Well, at least you have a "solution". Not a *good* solution, but a solution, nonetheless.
I find the M37 LOP very small, I was looking for a screw on exact fit recoil pad to fix this. Such as a limbsaver or kick eez to add an extra 1". However the off the shelf ones are for pre 1970's and wouldn't fit the size of my stock. Any suggestions?Sorry, I'm not a big guy and LOP wasn't an issue for me on the M37. Recoil? *What* recoil?
Regards,
Mark.
P.S. I put a Decelarator pad on my Chiappa 1887, but that was to stop the butt dropping out of my shoulder when working the lever.
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No sits in the mag.
If you merely plug the mag, there may still be a round in the chamber.
I assume that your flag stops the bolt going into battery?
I don't see how you could get a safety flag into the chamber of the 37
It's like any other pump-action except that the ribbon sticks out of the bottom rather than the side. (My homemade flags have *long* ribbons, but even a Napier's is visible.)
it would get chopped off no?
Sorry, I'm not with you, here. The end of the flag will stop the bolt going very far forwards.
The visual sign the gun is empty is not for me, so it doesn't really need to sit in the chamber.
Ah, it's the *chamber* that's the important bit. Even if the mag's empty, you *really* don't want a safety flag that could leave the gun with "one up the spout".
Regards,
Mark.
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Well I already knocked up a very crude prototype from 20mm plastic conduit and gaffa tape
Mine's aluminium and bronze. (The bronze was because I'd run out of suitably-sized ally bar.)
Sits in the mag and stays put under spring tension.
Ummmm, surely mean "sits in the *chamber*"? (At least, that's where they're *supposed* to go.)
I have access to a lathe so can knock up a more suitable piece if needs be.
Ah, I feel something "steam punk" would be in order.
Regards,
Mark.
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aka the High Standard Model 200
Indeed.
Since mine's got a PowerPac choke on it, I always think of it as my "Red Neck hunting gun". Anyone who's seen one will, I think, understand why...
Regards,
Mark.
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TbirdX,
I've just seen your other thread.
Look at the end of this video:
There's a brief view of the flag that I made (on me lathe) for the M20. It works "adequately" in the lever-action.
Regards,
Mark.
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Chaos, do you use any kind of safety flag in your 37? If so, what?
Yes, I do. Pretty much everyone does when I've been PSGing.
When I started shootin', our club was "muzzle down". This meant that pretty much *any* safety flag would work because the weight of the action tended to close the bolt on the flag. *Now*, though, we've moved to muzzle *up*. (Most people prefer muzzle *down* which also, by the way, makes getting guns out of the slips somewhat easier.)
As a result, my shotguns - and *especially* the lever-action - want to open themselves up and dump the flags on the ground.
Luckily, because I started *clay* shooting a few months before PSG and because I had a Higgins M20* complete with a sling, I'd already made a spring-loaded safety flag that would stay put in a pump-action when it was muzzle up.
I really must make some more...
Regards,
Mark.
* The Higgins M20 pump-action shotgun has, perhaps, *the* slickest action of any pumper. (Maybe, they're just "looser" than all the others.)
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I think you've just nominated yourself as Forum M37 repair man
Oh, no - there are people who know a *huge* amount about M37s. They seem to be concentrated in the States, for *some* reason or other:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=528825
DRCook is a very helpful chap, *indeed*.
Assuming it doesn't start to occur with other shells then I'm quite happy to just avoid Eley Firsts for the time being.
Fair enough. If you're not using it for something like PSG, then it's not such a problem.
Enjoy that gun - so far, I've not come across anything I'd rather be shooting. (The Chiappa 1887 comes close, though.)
Regards,
Mark.
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So, you appear to have an FTEx (failure to extract). *If* this is so:
This is *exactly* the problem that I had when I acquired my M37 and I used to clear them in a similar manner to what you employed. I'd take the barrel off, use a finger nail to dump the fired hull and then refit the barrel.
I got *very* fast at this "drill" but, of course, had to put up with quite a lot of pi ^H^H ribbing from other club members.
After a few months, it got worse and I changed my drill to barrel off, dump *live* round in the reciever, refit barrel and pump to get rid of the last fired hull.
At this point, I consulted the (American) shotgun "collective" - this problem is common on 870 Expresses, apparantly - and it was suggested that I polish the chamber with very fine wirewool. (Some use hones...)
It *improved* but wasn't *cured*.
Then, disaster! Both my M37s broke their firing pins and, after a *lot* of hassling, Ithaca agreed to send me some spares. Amongst other items, I bought a new set of extractors and springs. I fitted those and, along with a light chamber polish every time I clean the gun, it has *totally* got rid of the problem.
Regards,
Mark.
P.S. I found fitting all the parts a doddle except for the upper extractor which was a complete pain in the bits. Perhaps there's a "knack" to it that I've yet to acquire.
P.P.S. If you *do* buy some spares, it'd be worth adding the spring from the left-hand shell stop to the list since, if they get weak, they can cause feed issues. Also, make sure that the channel in which the shell stop sits is clean.
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TbirdX, Markbrowning: Can you tell me what actually happened with the problem rounds? FTF, FTEx or FTEj?
Today, after quite a long "battle", my M37 seems to running *correctly*.
Now all I've got to do is cure that "wandering rear sight syndrome"...Regards,
Mark.
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Thanks for that.
You are welcome.
I did get the owners manual but that one will come in very handy too I'm sure.
I downloaded a copy of Ithaca's modern offering but found it a bit "Noddy" compared to the facsimile in that link.
I forgot to mention that the members of this site will make you welcome:
In addition, the usual forums can be trawled for Ithaca-related information:
http://thefiringline.com/forums
Not forgetting that old stalwart:
Regards,
Mark.
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Yes, but *not* for the M&P (Military and Police) versions.Ithaca disabled that around 1975
Look for the extra sear on the side of the hammer. You'll likely find it's not there.we'll try it and see
You *will*, though, find this useful:
http://stevespages.com/pdf/ithaca_3787.pdf
Always remove the stock before undoing the trigger plate screw.
Nice find.
Have fun.
Regards,
Mark.
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Shall I use this thread as an excuse to purchase a pump
I *order* you to buy a pump (or lever) action shotgun, young man.
If it were me, I'd track down a thirty or forty year old gun wiv nice wood an' stuff. Leave all that tactifool plastic junk for *other* people to buy.
Regards,
Mark.
P.S. I put half-a-dozen shots through a brand-new SXP. My verdict? "Meh" - it worked but wasn't anything special.
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Here is an easy target to make
Ah, yes. I remember seeing these at Shield. I wouldn't mind having a go at makin' some more separators for the RSC.
However, are those adjusters really necessary? I was finkin' of welding a short length of the same angle iron, "point down", across the back instead. Wouldn't that still cope with varying thickness of plate? (I'd like to make something as easy and cheap as possible, of course.)
Regards,
Mark.
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Wood is only good for burning & keeping you warm !
Blasphemer! Stone him, *stone* him!
Regards,
Mark.
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swapped an Ithaca 37DSPS for an old knife
Aaaaaagh! No, no, noooooooo.
Regards,
Mark.
P.S. Re-reading my post, I think that I may have a little "problem"...
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Having made a post by accident - I have to "quote", edit the text, copy and paste the link in order to *view* the video [sigh] - how does one *delete* a post?
Regards,
Mark.
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Pumping is good fun.
Damn right, it is:
Regards,
Mark.
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I've just realised that I never updated this thread with a link to the videos.
So, *here* it is:
http://m.youtube.com/user/MisterMcHaos/videos
Regards,
Mark.
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That is something I'd like to get into.
I'm pleased to hear that.
From what I've seen, (very little), it seemed as though it was semi autos for psg?
Many use semis but pumps are popular, too.
Is there a pump class as well, or would you have to compete against blokes using semi autos?
There are several classes but the two popular ones are "Standard" and "Standard Manual". In actual fact, not all clubs recognise all divisions but, in general, you'd be competing in a division with similar guns.
Can you start out doing psg with a shotgun on a SGC? As in 2+1.
Absolutely; even if you've just got a boring ol' over-and-under, you can have a bit of fun. Our club even has a gun that can be loaned and, of course, club members will bring S.2 guns along if they know that newbies are likely to be in attendance.
A good place to start:
Regards,
Mark.
P.S. Lever-action shotguns can also be used: http://m.youtube.com/user/MisterMcHaos/videos
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on most clay ranges, I'd be kicked off because of the pump
Not in *this* part of the world (Southampton), you wouldn't. Sporting shooters around here seem to *like* to see someone using something different.
By the way, with a pump-action shotgun, you're well equipped to have some *real* fun and have a bash at PSG.
Regards,
Mark.
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make a morning of it
Personally, if you're going to launch it "avec main armament", then I'd've thought that flag-waving crowds, marching bands and some aristocratic ol' battle-axe breaking some champers on the bow would've been more appropriate.
Regards,
Mark.
P.S. P'raps you should fink about lauching it *sideways* - that's always impressive.
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the exploding target made me jump
Yeah, it were fun - I *love* shooting through the caravan windows; I can't explain it - it's just *fun*.
I was, though, a bit disappointed with them there "flash bangs". I didn't think that they sounded a whole lot louder than when there was just the gun shot. Even on film, it weren't noticably loud.
Regards,
Mark.
P.S. I keep reciting "I don't need another M37. I don't *need* another M37"...
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Posted · Edited by ChAoS
The shell lifters are only down right at the *end* of the stroke. Hence, to load a round - or flag - directly into the chamber, just open the action right up and push the forend a *little* forwards. The lifting arms will obediently shift up out of the way.
Try it and see...
Regards,
Mark.