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21 hours ago, panoma1 said:
Its not a thought, its a satirical political cartoon! And an appropriate one to boot! Lol!
Thank you!
21 hours ago, henry d said:No it is a lack of thought that only has meaning to the echo chamber it is repeated to.
The truth hurts?
21 hours ago, Rewulf said:Pot, kettle, black.
20 hours ago, Cosmicblue said:Intro
So we let the nation vote for something without explaining the implications of the decision - totally dependent on our useless politicians for that irrespective of which mob you had an allegiance to.
If you are fortunate enough to understand global commerce, where the stuff comes from that you buy/eat/consume and have an understanding of how the various nations, currencies and trading groups are intertwined going back 40 years the you might have a nagging doubt that our amazing country has been tragically let down by individuals that are pursuing their own short term agendas.
All that stuff about controlling immigration and pumping money into the NHS was just emotive guff - when we leave the EU the problems will be exactly the same. And guess what? The same mindless drongos that caused the problem will blame someone else.
Recession is already here
I'm pretty certain I know what will happen post Brexit and it won't be pretty for the average family, life is going to become a lot more expensive - check out 'Economic Reality' below. The news outlets aren't saying it yet but the UK is slipping into a recession, everywhere you look there is a cut-back on spending against a backdrop of rising costs for the basic things like food. Aldi have announced that they are opening a new supermarket every week - go figure why they'd do that.
Economic reality
Even here on a shooting forum - where do the raw materials for our ammunition come from? Where do most of the affordable guns come from? Yup - most of it comes from the EU. Right now all goods are sold VAT free from the supplying country and pass through the EU borders without collecting customs duty. UK VAT is charged at the point of sale. Simples.
So has anyone bothered to explain what will happen when we aren't in the EU? The EU supplier company will apply VAT (legal requirement) and their country border will apply an export duty charge. At the UK border HMRC will levy UK duty+VAT and then the retailer that sells you the product will have to apply UK VAT. Net result everything (that is EVERYTHING) that's imported is going have the costs rolled upwards and is going to become VERY expensive. This is serious stuff - when screaming for exit on the 31st of October without a 'deal' you have to understand that decent people will lose a standard of living that many assume is a democratic right. It isn't.
I have no axe to grind either-way on this topic btw..
The Democratic vote
Yep, the nation voted leave and by that in a democratic society our elected representatives should be getting us out. However it seems that some politicians - labelled 'Remainers' have figured out that maybe this is actually political suicide for themselves and the UK nation as a whole that's been fed by foolish people who either just plain don't understand or had some personal agenda.
Finally - don't torch or troll me for the post - happy to discuss if you believe the above is different to the facts that you understand. I saw recently that someone was trying to find more about me - was on here with another username some years back and couldn't get my password reset.
"However it seems that some politicians - labelled 'Remainers' have figured out that maybe this is actually political suicide for themselves "
Well you got that bit right!
20 hours ago, armsid said:i voted leave and we were told by HM GOV at the time they would implement the decision whichever way it went that has not happened yet i was in my20,s when we voted for a group of countries that traded with each other tarriff free .we could feed ourselves as farmers grew what was needed factories turned out goods to sell we even made cars buses and lorries all without the help of what is now the EU now what have we got..Everything is german french or itallian we own nothing this is probably why the pension funds are low.we had steelworks engineering all world class.This could all come back and provide jobs and stop our carbon footprint by making things here in stead of importing The reason i voted was 1 i dont want my life run by unelected and unsackable ministers in europe 2 i am fed up with people coming here committing crimes and not being able to deport them 3 our nhs flourished pre EU why cant it now 4 we have a bad habit here of importing skills while our own engineering,colleges closed 5 i want to be known as british and not a eu citizen, ruled by an elected gov. that is not pressured to do things by the EU THE WORLD IS OUR OYSTER
Well said!
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9 hours ago, Vince Green said:
A very good post and I agree with practically all you say. I do have a difference of opinion with you regarding the steel industry. For decades Germany has illegally subsidised its own steel industry allowing it to undercut British Steel's sales in this country but also, and more importantly, strangling our ability to export. For many years this undermining has eroded the industry, preventing its ability to reinvest . China is only a late arrival, by the time it started making itself felt the damage was already done.
The real gripe was that everybody knew what was happening but the EU appeared happy to allow the illegal subsidy to continue. To me that was a big red flag, if it was the other way round and we were damaging Germany's steel industry with illegal subsidies would we get away with it? Not a level playing field.
I totally agree with you about the NHS, its like a bush that's been allowed to grow wild without structure. The key point is that at no time has the NHS employed a high number of EU nationals. I think at the highest it was 4.7%. Much less than Indian or Chinese nationals who have to apply for work permits. So the project fear assertion that the NHS would collapse if we left the EU was not true.
Correct!
On 16/09/2019 at 18:41, oowee said:Surely depends on how many ways the leave vote is split?
I would reckon on any election 1/3 of labour and Tory votes are not up for grabs. The other two thirds will be split by leave or remain and vote accordingly. Brexit party in the mix now of course.
Hopefully we dont get to it as i cant see any party getting a majority.
Although a "high level" tory says they will not work with TBP, when push comes to shove, it,s my bet that TBP will stand aside in the South West, and the Conservatives will do the same in South Yorkshire......
22 hours ago, henry d said:Ever had a thought of your own, or will you just rely on regurgitation?
If it annoys you, I,ll stay with regurgitation! Seems the truth som
etimes hurts, doesn,t it?
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At last, the truth is out............................
The Electoral Commission has found that two Remain campaigns that were set up less than a month before the referendum campaign worked together, breaking electoral law.
“We found that the ‘5 seconds campaign’ was a joint campaign run by WUAV and DDB UK Limited. Spending on the campaign was ‘joint’ or ‘common plan’ spending.”
Wake Up And Vote (WUAV) and DDB were just two of five campaigns that were all set up less than a month before the referendum, sharing big donors, and in total funnelling more than a million pounds into the Remain cause. The others seem to have avoided proper scrutiny…
WUAV and DDB created unbranded videos that was conveniently shared by the official Britain Stronger in Europe campaign, as if it was their content. DDB has been fined just £1,800 for failing to declare joint spending with Wake Up And Vote. This follows a £1,000 fine handed to DDB in March 2018 for other inaccuracies in its spending return…
Last year Guido reported (above) how Remainers shared data, suppliers and campaign materials, coordinated spending, funnelled £1 million to new campaigns set up in the month before the vote, and potentially spent double the legal limit. Guido even produced a special report into the matter…
Louise Edwards, the Commission’s Director of Regulation tells Guido, “Both Wake Up and Vote and DDB UK Limited had an important legal duty to accurately declare joint spending in their referendum spending returns. Both failed to do so, meaning that voters, looking at the reported spending, had no way of knowing that WUAV and DDB UK Limited had worked together on a campaign, or of how much either campaigner spent in total.” In short, Remainers cynically broke the law…
It has taken well over a year for the Electoral Commsion to act on WUAV and DDB. In June 2018 Priti Patel handed the Commission a dossier full of evidence. Initially the Electoral Commission refused to investigate the clearly dodgy practices, leading to outrage from Leavers at the clear bias of the organisation. Despite the work being done for them, the evident law breaking was only fined today, more than three years after the referendum. This is only a partial victory for Guido, as Priti’s dossier shows, the Electoral Commission scratched the surface…
SOURCE: GUIDO FAWKES.
What,s the betting the BBC fail to mention it?
1 hour ago, oowee said:Lets see some evidence rather than more bluster.
Prove otherwise? Why should we do all the research?
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Speaking on The World This Weekend the Lib Dem Parliamentary Candidate for North Devon, Kirsten Johnson, claimed that her prospective constituency voted to Leave because “it’s 98% white, we don’t have a lot of ethnic minorities living in North Devon, people aren’t exposed to people from other countries, they don’t travel a lot.”
Johnson went on to claim that that North Devon hasn’t “appreciated the advantages” of being in the EU because it is “isolated, rural, and low income.” She went on to imply that leave voters were linked to hate crime, but when asked to explain her view just “trailed off” in the words of the BBC’s Ross Hawkins. It makes for excruciating listening…
North Devon was held by the Lib Dems for over two decades, finally being lost to the Tories in 2015. It voted Leave by almost 60%. Doesn’t look like the Lib Dems are going to win it back any time soon…
Source: Guido Fawkes
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The Metropolitan Police have today announced there will be no further action against the Leave.EU campaign. The police said that there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation. Campaign founder Arron Banks has demanded a public inquiry into Remainer MPs’ abuse of public office in response…
Source: Guido Fawkes
Damning vintage footage of Jo Swinson calling for an in-out EU referendum has emerged today, reminding Guido of a time when the Lib Dems were both liberal and democratic…
Watch the excruciating u-turn here:
The footage emerged just one day after the Lib Dem’s new party leader said she doesn’t “forgive David Cameron for calling the referendum”. Vintage footage also shows Swinson criticising the undemocratic systems of the EU.
Give it another decade and she might have flopped back to being a eurosceptic again!
SOURCE:n GUIDO FAWKES
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From 9am -12pm next Wednesday the European Parliament will hold a big debate on the Brexit process. Curiously, the largest party in the Parliament has been allocated just one minute of the three hours of speaking time, despite making up 4% of all MEPs, and the debate being about the literal namesake of their party. Guido doubts it will be worth watching this 99.5% Remoaning winge-a-thon…
Source: Guido Fawkes
The Metropolitan Police have today announced there will be no further action against the Leave.EU campaign. The police said that there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation. Campaign founder Arron Banks has demanded a public inquiry into Remainer MPs’ abuse of public office in response…
Source: Guido Fawkes
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On 11/09/2019 at 18:03, Jaymo said:
Or why have steak when an ‘Iceland’ beef burger will suffice
When did we ever get steak from the EU? More like crumbs from the table!
On 10/09/2019 at 19:32, Retsdon said:This is a dream, not a plan. It's James Hacker....
No, there was never a conspiracy of any kind. Rather, given the constraints of May 's 'red lines' and the EU rules that govern the single market, (which the UK had a very large part in writing in the first place, it might be added) the WA was the best that the negotiators could come up with in the time available to them.
No conspiracy of any kind? Yeah, right! And Adam & Eve were aliens!
3 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:She also seems to forget the biggest slavers in the world were the arabs and the coastal African tribes, the European races simply bought some of them.
Absolutely correct!
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20 hours ago, Retsdon said:
This is a dream, not a plan. It's James Hacker....
No, there was never a conspiracy of any kind. Rather, given the constraints of May 's 'red lines' and the EU rules that govern the single market, (which the UK had a very large part in writing in the first place, it might be added) the WA was the best that the negotiators could come up with in the time available to them.
How do YOU know there was no conspiracy? You have evidence?
This week the UK reached agreements with South Africa, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia, Eswatini and Mozambique for trade continuity after Brexit, ensuring deals will be signed worth £10 billion to the UK economy.
These new countries mean that Liz Truss’ Department for International Trade has reached agreements in the last few months with 44 countries and the Palestinian Authority. Guido brings you the full, ever growing list along with their population and GDP here…
Antigua and Barbuda 102,012 1.532 billion
Bahamas 395,361 12.16 billion
Barbados 285,719 4.797 billion
Belize 374,681 1.838 billion
Botswana 2.292 million 17.41 billion
Chile 18.95 million 277.1 billion
Colombia 49.07 million 309.2 billion
Costa Rica 4.906 million 57.06 billion
Dominica 73,925 562.5 million
Dominican Republic 10.77 million 75.93 billion
Ecuador 16.62 million 103.1 billion
El Salvador 6.378 million 24.81 billion
Eswatini 1.367 million 4.409 billion
Faroe Islands 49,290 2.477 billion
Fiji 905,502 5.061 billion
Grenada 107,825 1.119 billion
Guatemala 16.91 million 75.62 billion
Guyana 777,859 3.676 billion
Haiti 10.98 million 8.408 billion
Honduras 9.265 million 22.98 billion
Iceland 338,349 23.91 billion
Israel 8.712 million 350.9 billion
Jamaica 2.89 million 14.77 billion
Korea 51.47 million 1.531 trillion
Lesotho 2.233 million 2.639 billion
Lichenstein 37,810 6.289 billion
Madagascar 25.57 million 11.5 billion
Mauritius 1.265 million 13.34 billion
Mozambique 29.67 million 12.33 billion
Namibia 2.534 million 13.24 billion
Nicaragua 6.218 million 13.81 billion
Norway 5.258 million 398.8 billion
Palestinian Authority 4.817 million 15 billion
Panama 4.099 million 61.84 billion
Papua New Guinea 8.251 million 21.09 billion
Peru 32.17 million 211.4 billion
Seychelles 95,843 1.486 billion
South Africa 56.72 million 349.4 billion
St Kitts and Nevis 55,345 945.9 million
St Lucia 178,844 1.712 billion
St Vincent and the Grenadines 109,897 789.6 million
Suriname 563,402 3.324 billion
Switzerland 8.42 million 678.9 billion
Trinidad and Tobago 1.369 million 22.1 billion
Zimbabwe 16.53 million 17.85 billion
Remainers said the UK would never sign these deals by Brexit day…
SOURCE: Guido Fawkes
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New jobs figures released today by the ONS show average pay leaping to a growth rate of 4% in the last year, the fastest increase in over a decade, and twice the rate of inflation. Unemployment continues to tumble, seeing its lowest levels in 45 years, and the last year saw over 300,000 more full time jobs than a year ago. All despite Brexit…
Source: Guido Fawkes
Just now, panoma1 said:Whether we leave with a deal or no deal, real negotiations will start after we have left.....the WA on offer is I suspect, what the EU have conspired with "others" to tie the UK into the EU with a BRINO........it is not a "deal" if it were accepted it would be capitulation!
The EU have never negotiated, May agreed to a deal that was totally to the EU's advantage, right from the off the Chequers deal was a non runner with leavers......for the above reasons.
The truth as I see it is, I doubt the EU will give us an acceptable deal, because they don't want us to leave, they want our money, so we'll get nothing out of them....this being the case what do we do? If the traitorous, remainer Parliament has its way, and I believe it will never accept any "deal" so we'll never leave, if the democratic will of the people is to be honoured, we will leave without a deal!
Once we are out, we can plough our own furrow, as a sovereign nation, trading with the rest of the world........any deals the UK does with the EU can be done post Brexit and should only be ratified if mutually beneficial.......
CORRECT!
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The EU has announced the planned structure of Ursula von der Leyen’s forthcoming Commission, with a new college of eight ‘vice-presidents’. A whole swathe of new bureaucrats to be thoroughly bored by…
One role attracting attention, however, is that given to Greece’s Margaritis Schinas who will be taking up the role of ‘Protecting our European Way of Life’, which – when clarified – will cover migration and security. Guido’s sure if Donald Trump had created a ‘protecting our way of life’ job to deal with immigration, pro-EU lefties would be losing their heads…
Source: Guido Fawkes
More noses in the EU trough! Who pays their inflated salaries? YOU DO!
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2 hours ago, grrclark said:
Isn’t that the most remarkably stupid campaign strategy ever?
It’s so they can pretend to their traditional voters that want to leave that they are giving them a meaningful choice and hoping they can hoodwink them.
They will negotiate a choice so good they will recommend that the voters turn it down.
What really does surprise me is that Corbyn is so actively promoting this rubbish, he is a self avowed hater of the EU and yet he is ardently campaigning on it’s behalf.
You couldn’t make it up.
True! She has still not been forgotten by "White van man".....
The SNP love going on about how more Remain votes than Leave votes came from Scotland in the United Kingdom’s EU referendum. They don’t like mentioning that more than a million Scots voted to leave, or the fact that if you disregard the Leave votes from Scotland and Northern Ireland, Remain would have won. Guido has compiled some data that might offer the Scot Nats a reason to think again about ignoring the sizeable contingent of Scottish Brexiteers…
In half of the SNPs 35 seats, the Leave percentage outweighed the SNP vote share in the 2017 election. The SNP MPs who have cause to be worried are:
Kirsty Blackman Aberdeen North 41.3 SNP 43.09 Leave
Neil Gray Airdrie and Shotts 37.6 SNP 39.84 Leave
Brendan O’Hara Argyll and Bute 36 SNP 39.43 Leave
Phillipa Whitford Central Ayrshire 37.2 SNP 41.62 Leave
Douglas Chapman Dunfermline and West Fife 35.5 SNP 39.39 Leave
John McNally Falkirk 38.9 SNP 43.2 Leave
David Linden Glasgow East 38.8 SNP 43.84 Leave
Chris Stephens Glasgow South West 40.7 SNP 40.86 Leave
Peter Grant Glenrothes 42.8 SNP 47.61 Leave
Drew Hendry Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey 39.9 SNP 40.13 Leave
Angela Crawley Lanark and Hamilton East 32.6 SNP 35.96 Leave
Martyn Day Linlithgow and East Falkirk 36.3 SNP 42.02 Leave
Hannah Bardell Livingston 40.1 SNP 43.26 Leave
Angus MacNeil Na h-Eileanan an Iar 40.6 SNP 43.9 Leave
Patricia Gibson North Ayrshire and Arran 38.9 SNP 42.4 Leave
Stephen Gethins North East Fife 32.9 SNP 41.4 Leave (Fife only stats available)
Ian Blackford Ross, Skye & Lochaber 40.3 SNP 43.49 Leave
The Tories becoming the Leave Party might not be such a bad move in Scotland after all…
The Labour Party has shifted position on an election so much that their website currently hosts a page published less than a week ago that says Labour will back an election as soon as their Surrender Bill passed. The bill passed. Not a single Labour MP voted for an election last night… Hypocrites!
Source: Guido Fawkes
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Irish cider and beer maker C&C Group, whose brands include the Magners and Bulmers ciders, as well as Tennants lager, said it will seek admission to London’s FTSE and discontinue its Irish stock market listing, simultaneously switching its financial reporting from euros to sterling from October 7, the company announced this morning. The company will cancel its listing in Dublin, despite Brexit…
Source: Guido Fawkes
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21 minutes ago, oowee said:
Surely the decline has already started? Weaker growth in the 4th quarter 2018 follows slower growth since the referendum. The economy is 1.2% smaller today than projected by the OBR pre referendum. That's £24b or £800 per household.
Just like we can now you mean?
Where will the red tape go?
When economic bad news is posted on here regarding your beloved EU giants, Germany, Italy and France, you fall very silent, and only comment on anything that puts our economy (which is in better shape than theirs) down? Why is that?
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31 minutes ago, oowee said:
Farage is not going to put forward any meaningful policy as it will invite debate. Rather like the referendum he will want to keep his position vague it will be all about what electors dont want rather than what you do..
Boris will not be able to make a coalition with the Brexit party. If the Brexit party has seats it is because they have put up a range of candidates and they will have split already split the Tory vote.
What do mean by "meaningful policies"....just the ones you agree with?
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17 hours ago, Gordon R said:
A rather daft title for a thread.
A more entertaining title for a thread would have been "Jezzer, the terrorists' friend, rides a bike" or "Di discovers mathematics".
PS - I think that Tony Blair has copyrighted the "Liar" tag.
:-) Like it !
17 hours ago, Benthejockey said:
Put me off my breakfast!
14 hours ago, oowee said:What on earth is this kipper prattling on about. All this carp re schools and police is a mere distraction from the job in hand.
Progress 🙂 where on what????? Next will be either crash out or GE with even more division.
Lets come together and get it done says the kipper 👍. All up for that so lets do it. Sorry I forgot they don't know how to do that. There is no mechanism with our political system to achieve workable compromise.
Like the compromises they had in Italy from the 1950,s onwards? Totral chaos?
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2 hours ago, Dazv said:
Thanks for all the help guys much appreciated! Maybe I'll give the guys a call and see what they do! Thanks again chaps
darren
Contact forest camping in Russia, maybe out of stock, but they usually quickly source one for you. Not as fancy a finish as GAEP, but just a fifth of the price !
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Over the last couple of days, Government ministers have avoided answering whether they would allow the Queen to approve to any legislation passed by Parliament designed to prevent Brexit on the 31st. Naturally, Remainers have reacted with outrage…
Back in January a Policy Exchange paper by Sir Stephen Laws QC argued that the executive’s role in approving legislation is fundamental to the UK’s constitution, and passing laws without executive approval upsets the UK’s constitutional order.
Guido can now reveal there is extensive precedent of Governments asking the Queen to not sign legislation they don’t approve. Anti-Brexit spokesman Tony Blair himself used this power on a number of occasions to “quell politically embarrassing backbench rebellions”. Perhaps most notably to block a bill by Tam Dalyell in 1999 that aimed to give MPs a vote on military action against Saddam Hussein.
Going further back, Labour PM Harold Wilson used the Queen’s veto to kill off two “politically embarrassing bills” about peerages and Zimbabwean independence, in 1964 and 1969 respectively
Alastair Campbell has been reacting furiously to Gove’s refusal to commit the government to obeying any law parliament passes; when
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Deutsche Bank’s chief economist, David Folkerts-Landau, not only says that over the medium and long-term a ‘No Deal’ Brexit will make no difference to the British economy, he says an inadequate deal which constrained the British economy would be “a second best solution”. Confirming what many in Downing Street believe, namely that even without the back-stop, May’s regulatory-aligned deal would have detrimentally constrained the dynamic British economy. So-called “regulatory alignment” is an EU imposed constraint on unleashing the British economy to out compete turgid EU rivals. As the leaked French memo on Friday revealed, Paris fears a resurgent, deregulated dynamic British economy…
Source: Guido Fawkes
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5 hours ago, Retsdon said:
Sure. But the problem is that domains are almost exclusively tribal. I could show you the contents of a comment section of random national newspaper and without being told you'd know after reading a dozen comments which newspaper it belonged to. And it doesn't matter which paper it is, I'll almost guarantee that the vast majority of the comments will be negative. It might be the way things just are nowadays, but it's not healthy.
What you fail to mention, is that the editor of the newspaper in question will have weeded out those he does not want his readers to see. On nforums on the net, like P/W, this does not happen!
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7 hours ago, Scully said:
Really? On this site and every other social domain, each person gets a voice and can put across their point ( rightly or wrongly ) without interruption. Everyone has a voice. That is becoming less common in public debates such as TV or radio, or indeed in public, where the aggressor will, can and does, interrupt, and shout over their opponents to stifle their opinions.
How very true!
6 hours ago, Nuke said:There is quite a lot of shouting/bullying to try and intimidate people from contributing, you need to dare to post your meaning for it to be heard in the first place.
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Shouting and bullying? Really? Do tell, give specifics?
5 hours ago, Jaymo said:And vice versa also applies.
Lets face it, we should agree to disagree and close the thread down. It’s been going around in circles, more times than the hands on Big Ben!
Why? Just when we come up to the most interesting period in politics in years, you want to shut down free speech? Strange.
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You,ve hit the nail on the head!
Yes we give them £13 BILLION, and they kindly give us just £4 BILLION back ! You are right, it is not a one way street, it,s a 4 lane street, and we have only one of those lanes!