Dirty Harry
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What do you want to use one for? I have 2 GWP that are used for everything.
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I was given that picture a few years ago and live just outside Tewkesbury. Must be a local artist
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3 hours ago, scotslad said:
Training a young wire the now, would love to get it up to FT standard, so will keep it purely for pointing work intially.
Done a few grouse counting test with my last wire but couldn't get it up that next step to FT standard, well the standard I wanted it it.
My previous wire had a hell off a drive possibly too much for my 1st hpr.
If you are serious about having a trial dog I'd make an effort to speak to one of the top trailers and get some training tips. Personally I think you need to keep it as a trial dog and don't shoot over it yourself. Take it out, have someone shoot one bird over it put the dog away. You need to be able to put it on birds a lot and make sure its steady as a rock. My dog was rock solid until I started shooting over him and it all went Pete Tong, but he's a great walked up shooting dog, which is what I really want.
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14 hours ago, WalkedUp said:
I will try and borrow a GoPro and harness one day this season, that’s probably the best way to see them work - unless you can shoot over some.
Where are these videos?
YouTube, Hunter the German Wirehaired Pointer.
GoPros are great but you can't appreciate distance on the videos very much. I've got a head mount for it and one for the dog. Great seeing it from their point of view.
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On 05/09/2020 at 21:03, Lloyd90 said:
I watched the video of your GWP ... when he hits scent and turns sharply before going rigid on point is outstanding 👍🏻.
Would love to see more of that.
Thanks. That was on a hare if it’s the one where he’s running hard.
I never tire of that and I get more out of the dog work than actually shooting.
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3 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:
It's hard to find video's online of many HPR's working (or working well)...
As always youtube shows some good stuff.
There's a video of some HPR's on a training day (Entitled: Shooting over Pointers) Maybe it's just the filming (and awful music) but it's not very exciting sadly.
One of the better video's out there are some Irish lads with Brittany spaniels, hunting woodcock over in Ireland. (Rough shooting over Brittany's in Ireland). This makes much better viewing than the above. They are working through some thick cover and doing a fine job of it as well. They also appear to run their dog with a bell on a collar... suppose it helps to know where the dog is when out of sight as it could go on point and be god knows where... I know American lads with put a locator collar on some of their dogs.
They have another video entitled - (Irish Rough shooting, the next Generation of Young gun's) ... handler is a bit noisy but think he is training a young dog. Shows the dogs working some nice thick cover in the type of terrain you'd find in the UK.
It would be nice to see some of the other HPR's on video's like this. Most of them are put up by American's these days.
There's one of a lab and a GWP rough shooting (again in Ireland) but the dog doesn't seem to point and just runs about flushing as it goes (being used as a lab/spaniel really).
Just watched that video. I know some of the people there and have shot over the GWP and 2 of the Brittanys. I think it was a novice training day and probably not fair to judge the dogs based on that. Two of the dogs were are now in open field trials and another has a novice award.
I was shooting with the GWP ad his owner last month on the 12th.
I've tried videoing some of what I have done but its not easy shooting, handling and trying to record at the same time. Also video of a dog running a pattern in a big field is a bit boring. If you search for Hunter the German Wirehaired Pointer on YouTube I put a couple of videos on there. Some are shooting, some are just for fun.
Have a look at some of the videos from Scott Linden or The Flush on YouTube. Quite a few HPRs on there but hunting in the USA so generally the dogs do not flush, but the pointers and setters retrieve.
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7 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:
Stunning animal. Can you tell us more about their style of work?
My dogs adapt to where they are working to be honest. On a moor he really does get out far and wide. I've been fortunate to have a whole moor to myself with not many grouse so he really did have to work hard for them. Basically he knows what he's there to do and I just watch him work and wait for the point. He is steady and waits until I get there to flush. He's not as steady to shot as he should be but as it's me shooting over him its not normally an issue.
When I'm shooting with him at home he still has to cover the ground in the big open fields but then we get into woods and spinneys he needs reigning in. No point him going on point when you can't see him. He has a lot of drive so you have to be ontop of him to keep him where you want him and every now and then we have to have a management meeting.
Pigeon shooting he loves but he's a pain in the ****. Noisy and wants to retrieve the bird before it's hit the ground. I don't do much of it so it's more a training thing. Corvids he likes to make sure they are dead. He's been pecked a few times so usually gives them a good crunch, unlike game birds. He's actually very soft mouthed and will bring birds back with their heads up.
He hates foxes and always makes sure they are dead. I've trained him for blood tracking. It's one of those things you train for just in case and the only times I've really needed it I've had my friends GWP or Teckle with is and not him. With training he will switch in to tracking mode easily and when he's on a track would generally ignore bird scent.
I don't have the option of having multiple dogs for different purposes so I have a jack of all trades. In fact a spaniel would be no use to me as the ground I have is too big and there are not enough birds and a retriever wouldn't hunt how I need it to so a HPR was the obvious choice.
I have trained with a FtCh pointer and it was spectacular. I was also counting with pointers and setters a few weeks back and to be honest when they were all on the hill counting there wasn't a big difference between them, just the standard of training and experience.
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Having seen the recent post on Pointers that started the discussion on HPRs I was wondering what people actually use their HPRs for.
I have GWPs and use them for rough shooting, grouse counting and walked up grouse, tracking when stalking should the need arise, foxing, rabbits, pigeon and a bit of crow shooting.
I have done working tests and trials with the one also.
Everything I have shot they will retrieve, even the roe.
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I shoot over my German Wirehaired Pointers.
This season I’ve shot grouse, pheasant, partridge, ducks, snipe, woodcock, rabbits, foxes and deer over them.
He runs in sometimes but I shoot on my own ground and to be honest I don’t care if he does as long as he makes the retrieve.
I think a lot of people get HPRs and don’t have the right ground to work them so just use them as a beating dog and that really isn’t what they are bred for. -
I've got three of the DT ones. They belong to the club I'm part of but I've used them for some training days for HPR's. They work really well but you obviously need a supply of birds to make it worth while.
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17 hours ago, al4x said:
Can we mention cats yet......
Yes, they will also retrieve cats.
14 hours ago, scotslad said:Must admit i'm about to get pelters here.
But unless u want a dog to point they're really is little point in getting an HPR, often vastly over rated.(for normal shooting or even deer work)
That said i will have another 1 sometime (and got name on a waiting list for a HWV pup) so not against hpr's, just u see so many very poor 1's.
I've also shot over some of the best in the country and they are a joy on open ground but even those very well trained 1's are a bit of a nighymaare in the beating line.
There tends to be massive differences intemperment between individuals, i now of a few very docile cool calm bitches but the (often male) pups have been a real handful so much so they were given away and thats by the ownrs who bred them and trained the cracking bitch (so u wouldn't think its down to there training)
Must admit even on my rough shoot which is quite open FT trained hpr's can be hard to work with along sde 'normal' dogs, range out in front if they poit u have to hold the whole beating line up while the handler walks over to them (must admit thoose dogs had a habitat of pointing recent scent too, or birds had moved off) so often there would not even be a bird to shot as wee shot in the beating line too where safe.
Not trying to be anti hpr (which i know i am coming across as) but paticularly male gwp's can be very hard work esp if from strong DD/german lines.
Can be fantastic dogs thou but u really need to do ur homework and know ur lines.
Also have/had a bit of a problem with epilepsy in the bred whuch cannot be tested for.
I think its more a case of not many people have the ground to hunt them as they should be and trying to make the dog to a job its not really bred for.
I agree with your comments about temperament and epilepsy but in recent years things have improved a lot.
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I have two but the older one is now retired. I use the younger one for rough shooting, grouse counting and shooting and a bit of tracking and fox control. I shoot over him a lot during the season.
I wouldn't have one for beating or picking up as I think there are better choices for that however I know people who do very well with them at this.
My younger one is 40kg and solid, very fit and full of energy. They can be very strong willed and you need to be firm with them and get them under control form the start. Don't think you can leave them to it for 12 months and then start training. They are a big dog and need to be under control.
Mine have great temperaments with dogs and people. Both would come on the school run and loved getting fussed by all the kids on the way out.
In my experience they are a harder hunting dog than the other HPR's except for maybe the Brittney. They are fearless where cover is concerned and love water. Mine has retrieved everything asked of him including foxes and a muntjac.
If you are on facebook look at Totally GWP or look at mine on youtube.....Hunter the German Wirehaired Pointer. He's 4 now but the video only goes up to age 2.
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I’ve got one. Very good quality and great to deal with.
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Scully,
Pepper Spray and CS are incapacitants. If it were legal and freely available I have no doubt the instance of it being used in crime would go through the roof.
A quick spray would render someone helpless to they could be robbed, burgled, assaulted, raped or worse.
I don't think it would be a good idea.
Harry
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As an aside; I have numerous bayonets in my collection; none are locked away; they simply hang on the walls. I don't live in fear of them.
Scully, the sword stick is locked away because it's old and fragile and I have 2 young boys who would love to play with it.
Not for any other reason.
Harry
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I have an antique sword stick. It's locked in a cabinet and never comes out.
It's a specified weapon and is more controlled than an offensive weapon.
More details can be found here.
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As others have already said if they weren't an indipendantly run charity then the government would hit them with cuts in the same way as hospitals and the police.
My local air ambulance received a £1,000,000 government handout last year. I believe it was some of the Libor fines being redistributed.
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This year I have for the first time seen Goldcrests and Treecreepers in the garden. The treecreepers decided to nest in a crack in the beams by my back door.
We get quite a lot in the garden and this is what I've seen so far......wood pigeon, collared doves, blue tits, great tits, long tail tits, house sparrows, dunnocks, wrens, goldfinch, greenfinch, pied wagtails, swallows, robins, siskin, chaffinch, yellowhammer, grey wagtail, starling, song thrush (came in the house), blackbird, jay, magpie, jackdaw, carrion crow, great spotted woodpecker, green woodpecker, red leg partridge, pheasant, moorhen, mallard (nested in a flower pot overnight), little owl, tawny owl, barn owl, kestrel and sparrow hawk.
I've seen a lot of other birds in the fields next to the house. Lots of lapwings as i haven't been shooting them!!!
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Are all of the people who slagged the police off now going to eat their words?
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I do quite a bit of night flying on NVG and see quite a few. I saw 10 or more in as many minutes the other night.
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I've got a Rolex Explorer II (216570) in white. I don't have it to impress people or show off. I have it because I really like it and enjoy wearing it.
I have an Omega Seamaster Pro that I've hardly worn since getting the Rolex.
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My lad will do it. Just pay him in sweets.
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Was that in Cabela's in the US?
Yes. My other lad thought it would be funny to try and close the door on him. Don't think I've ever moved to fast!!!
Longest retrieve.
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My GWP loves picking crows. He crunches them to make sure they are dead, just like he does with foxes.
He’s very soft mouthed with game.