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Thanks Lord George, I'm presently in the process of checking out the model that's for sale to get a definite on it regarding recoil. With regards to the wood, I would prefer it was natural, but if it's enhanced by cleaver staining and it looks natural, I don't think it would bother me as much as the wood wrap / laminate that appears to be present on some natural wood looking expensive Baretta semi autos.

Thanks Lord Geordie & poorpeet for both your inputs. It is a bit pricy. On its side though is the incredible woodwork. With regards to alternative guns, I was looking at the Armsan a612 Sporter. I've now been told it's a inertia on the Hug San and not gas operated, so I'm wary of buying it as I'm looking for a gas operated as I have a permanent respiratory issue and need the gun to be light weight and very low recoil. Maybe Lord Gordie can confirm how severe the recoil is and how light it is.

Can anyone help. I have seen a Hug San semi auto with multi choke for sale which I am considering, but think the asking price may be on the high side at £450 with 1 choke. I also don't know too much about them. The one thing going for it is the striking wooden stock it has and overal A1 condition. I believe the company was based and manufactured in Huglu Turkey up until 2000 and may now be either no longer producing or maybe part of another company still producing in Huglu. If they stopped manufacturing completely in 2000 clearly the gun is at least 14 years old and spares may be a concern. I have heard they were imported by Edgar Brothers as a more expensive shotgun from that area. Does anyone know if these shotguns are gas operated, what the recoil is like and what the weight is approx. Many thanks in advance for any assistance you can give.

It's always difficult to know what price to sell at, but although you now think it maybe could have went for £750 instead of the £650 you asked for, you generated a lot of interest at the price you asked and sold it very quickly and this may have not been the case if you had asked £750 for it. It looks a nice gun and in good condition, and sold at a realistic price.

Hi choke, I personally have not made you a silly offer. However, I have offered to buy your gun via RFD, but you appear to be less than thankful that I have offered to buy it and I have no idea where your coming from with regards to your comment that you would rather leave it in a cab. Maybe you should be a bit more gracious in the manner in which you reject an offer and a bit more gratitude for the people interested in your gun and prepared to make you an offer to buy. Regards Gordon

Hi choke it Maybe you want to reconsider my offer which required you to RFD it. You only require 1 buyer and It's sold. Regards Gordon

I would like to thank everyone of you who have responded to this topic so far. From what I am hearing, unless the gun has already been re-threaded to take chokes and possibly re-proofed, I don't think it is worth considering unless I could pick up a new barrel at a knock down price, but then why would I want to go to all this bother. I have asked the advertiser to respond to an email I sent yesterday, which asks reason for the shortened barrel and whether rethhreaded to be multi choked and await their response, which I will quite happily share. Regards Gordon

Excuse my lack of understanding. I have been looking for a light weight semi auto and have come across a Browning Maxus for sale. However, the barrel, for presently an unknown reason, has been shortened to 25/26 inches and its stated is now cylinder. Can a barrel that's cylinder be a multi choke barrel of can it be threaded to take chokes, so as to accommodate all types of shooting, or is it now purely a cylinder barrel for ever more. Any advice is very welcome. Regards Gordon

It's a great pity that you won't RFD it as you have basically 2 offers to buy your gun, 1 from nwilliams and 1 from me in the private message I sent you the other day.

Many thanks to hawkfranz for your input. I am still undecided on the 12 or 20g but definite that it will be an Armsan on this occasion. Probably shooting mostly clays. I'm sure I heard that the chokes for an Armsan are around £10 each in a review by some guy in one of the gun magazines not all that long ago.

Sorry to hijack your topic Deep Thought, but as I don't know how to start a new discussion. I am in a similar position as I am also looking to purchase a semi auto, although I have narrowed my choice more or less down to a Armsan 600 series and was interested in fiiggy's comment regarding the 612. I bought a fixed choke 12g Beretta a few years ago after a lapse of 20 years clay shooting. In between the time of last shooting, I had unfortunately lost a lung due to cancer and when I went shooting with a mate soon after buying the gun, I found it too heavy in weight and also the recoil severe. It put me off getting back into shooting and I sold the gun almost immediately after the first outing. I am now considering buying a semi auto and having read good reports on the Armsan 600 series, I am seeking advice on whether to go for the 612 or the 620. The last two digits refer to the gauge. As I think the 620 will have less of a recoil than the 612 I am leaning towards the 20g. Both versions are gas operated. I have also chose the Armsan as it is light in weight. I can also buy this gun new from my dealer for £390, which after my Beretta disappointment the price suits me and if I decide to continue in the sport, I may then move onto something nicer. Having said that, myself and a friend used to shoot clays with Bakal OU and the gun snobbery soon stopped when we were the ones with the high scores. It's what your used to and what suits you that matters, not the price. Having said that, I'd rather have Merc than a Smart car . Any advice is very welcome. Gordon

Is the gun multi choke and what length of barrels. More info please as to why your new gun is so cheap

What a salesman. Apart from the extensive details of this eagerly priced £3,000 gun, the excusive high quality photos should go a long way to ensuring a quick sale

Hopefully I would confuse things, but could this be where the same issue I read on an Americal gun forum. It's sounds the same and the shooter had the same make of gun, although not necessarily the same model. This is what it stated: "This is essentially the same gun as my HK/Fabarm Gold Lion. Nothing wrong with your gun. It is operating as designed." Read this...Your gun "should" operate similarly. LOADING THE SHOTGUN with free carrier feature 1. Before loading the shotgun, put the safety on SAFE by pushing the safety button on the side where the red stripe is seen. 2. Push the free carrier latch to the rear of the gun until it clicks (FIG. 4). 3. Pull the cocking handle back until the bolt locks open (FIG.5). 4. Place a shell in the receiver through the ejection port crimped end forward (FIG.6). 5. To chamber the shell, point the shotgun in a safe direction and depress the carrier latch button located on the left side of the receiver. This will close the bolt chambering the shell in the process (FIG. 7). 6. Hold the shotgun upside down,cradling the top of the receiver in the palm of your left hand. Insert the shells by pressing the carrier down with the crimped end of the shell to give access to the magazine tube until the shell latch snaps into place to hold the shell (FIG.8). 7. Take the shotgun off safe by pushing the safety off. UNLOADING THE SHOTGUN with free carrier feature . 1. To unload the chamber, pull open the bolt and remove the shell. 2. Hold the shotgun upside down. 3. Push the free carrier down (FIG.9) and pull back the multi use button : shells will come out from the magazine. (FIG.10) REMOVING/INSTALLING CHOKE TUBES WARNING : Unload the firearm before changing choke tubes. Leave the action open and the chamber and magazine empty when changing choke tubes. 1. Engage the safety switch. 2. Place the choke tube wrench into the choke tube. 3. Turn the wrench counter-clockwise to remove the choke tube. 4. Select the desired choke tube and insert the tube into the barrel. 5. Screw it in clockwise until tight. Make certain it is tight using the choke wrench but do not over tighten. A small amount of lubricate on the treads will ensure the choke tube can be installed and removed with ease. 6. With the action open and the chamber and magazine empty, check the choke tube occasionally to make sure the tube has not loosened. NEVER USE THE BARREL WITHOUT ANY CHOKE TUBES."

Is the gun sold?