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  1. Another dog attack

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    24 minutes ago, oneshot1979 said:

    My 2 pence. Stick with me.

    Education. Sadly some people have to learn from practical experience.

    I live near to a well known dog charity centre. Over the last thirty odd years we've existed alongside each other reasonably happily. They've had their noisy problem dogs, I've had impromptu clay shoots and fireworks, but by and by we get along.

    Some years ago though my wife rang me in a state of panic. "There's a ewe in the lane staggering around bleeding and gargling, and I can hear the flock up the valley bawling" 

    One of my routes home gives me a view across the valley at most of our fields. Looking across from my view point there were sheep strewn all over one field. I counted 11 down and the rest being chased across the lower fields towards the neighbours boundary. I could make out two dogs, one upfront clearly the aggressor and the larger one ambling along behind. 

    I was home, in and out the cabinet and back in the truck going up the valley inside of 10 mins. 

    Time was precious in my mind. I didn't have time for gates. At the first one I was out and over it with the .243 in a flash. Truck behind me I loaded and started to jog across the slope towards the neighbours boundary. At the crest of the field looking down to my neighbours I stopped. The flock were coming up the hedgerow of the boundary heading for the top fields. In pursuit were a brown and white spaniel and larger black dog I later found out was a Belgian Shepard. The spaniel was red with blood back past its shoulders. Now I was levelled, sighted and safety off but to this day I don't know why, but instead of taking the shot, I whistled. Loud long and clear. Both dogs stopped dead in their tracks and sat. I breathed in and bellowed "lie down" at the top of my voice, both dogs ignored my command but remained rooted to the spot. Never lowering the .243 I approached the spaniel. Scruffing it, I held it off the ground as I pulled my belt off and used it as collar come lead. The Belgian Shepard sat still as I use the rifle sling to collar him too. I marched both dogs back to the pick up and tied them in bed with rope so I could have my belt and sling back. 

    I called the police first, reported I had two dogs that had been caught red handed killing sheep and that it was sheer will power not to have shot them on the spot. The switch board took my details and said someone would be with me shortly. I called the dog charity next and asked if they were missing any inmates or had anybody rung looking for two missing dogs. "Oh, X from Y valley stables is missing a couple, why have you found them?". I gave the woman a brief run down and received an absolute torrent of abuse over the fact I had them tied up and that I'd had it in my mind to shoot them. She'd be right over to take them into her safe custody as soon as she'd notified the owners. I politely reminded her I was still armed still angry and the law was on my side. The dogs would stay with me until the owners were stood infront of me. The police arrived first, I cannot praise the chap enough, straight talking and rural savvy, and he recognised the dogs. The owners and the charity turned up shortly afterwards. The copper proceeded to berate the owners like they were puppy's themselves. Never allowing the charity to draw breath let alone speak. When he'd finished lecturing them on the countryside code and farmers rights he turned to me. "Would you be willing to drive us to the crime scene please, I think it would pay for the owners to see the damage their little angels have caused". I returned to the house and put the .243 away, returning with a .410 and box of shells. The dogs were placed in the police estate car, myself the charity lady and the owners wife rode inside the truck the copper and the husband rode in the bed and we set off for the fields. The charity woman used the segregation to start her abuse again but I remained silent and seething as we approached the field. At the gate we all dismounted and made our way towards the carnage. The party were all silent. The first half dozen or so were killed outright or had bled out over time but as we got further across the fields we came to the stragglers. The first one had bad wounds to its legs but looked as though it may live. The next wasn't so lucky. I stood listening to her gargling through a neck wound "Do the right thing lad" the copper said behind me. I chambered the .410 and dispatched her. I can shoot vermin, I can hunt for food, but I hate euthanising animals. My father made me do it from too young an age, the first one I did was head on looking in its eyes. It still sits bad with me. I turned to look at the copper and realised the owners and charity woman had been watching. I had clean forgot about them as I'd rolled the ewe into position to get a clear brain shot. The two woman erupted in tears as the husband stood in stunned silence. The three of them stood rooted to the spot as I walked amongst the dying making the choice between life and death on my little flock. I lost 15 in total that day and another two within a week. We drove back to the farm yard in silence. The copper took the owners details and informed them I'd be billing them for loss of life and veterinary bills. The wife remained silent the husband couldn't apologize enough. They left. The charity woman came over to me, and apologized!. "I couldn't believe they'd do that. I know these dogs, they're boisterous but I never thought they were killers." 

    The dog owners rang not a week later and asked me call round at my convenience to see the new measures they had put in place to ensure the dogs could not escape again. These included some serious fencing and both dogs being neutered.

    The charity lady had a complete turn around of attitude. She informed that she had raised the issue with head office and that wheels were in motion now to change policy on rehoming near livestock and step up education towards controlling your dog and the consequences and legalities if you don't.

    Touch wood in the last ten years we've never had another incident. I occasionally see the charity woman, she's now the manager of the facility. She always gives a nod to the day that took the rose tinting off her view of the doggy world, and to her credit my eldest girl came home from school one day telling me all about the lady across the road and the speech she'd made about dogs and the countryside. 

    In the heat of the moment I wanted to shoot the lead dog, my blood was up nearly as much as his, he deserved to be shot and many would have, but I've buried enough dogs of my own. The fact that he stopped on the whistle saved his and his buddies life. 

    Just my 2 pence.

    good post 👍

  2. Heads up

    in Dogs and Dog Training

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    A friend called me this morning he went stalking on Friday and found some on his dog and after whiping those off he went for a mooch local first thing this morning with his other dog and then found a couple on him but the weird thing is it's rare to find ticks on dogs were he lives you just don't get any bother but things must be changing not sure if it's climate change of what but they certainly see to be getting more abundant

  4. Inbreeding

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    23 minutes ago, Krico woodcock said:

    Mother and son I would consider way too close, and unnecessary. if you want to keep your breed strong, it takes year's. And a one time cross like that won't do it. So many things to consider. But if you have good working dogs you need to try and keep that breed going. But it takes time and is always a ongoing  process. This lockdown is going to damage alot of working breeds, because nearly everyone  (except the real shooting men that care more about breeding good working dogs than money)  with a bitch will have bred with any dog to get a litter  so to get a Chunk of the extornorite price's being charged for pup's. And not try and get best possible dog, for say bitch to improve breed. And alot of the time say bitch should never be bred because she is not good enough. But this has been a problem long before any lockdown was ever heard of.  Too many lads looking at their dogs through rose tinted glasses !

    Good post kriko..

  5. Inbreeding

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    1 hour ago, WelshAndy said:

    Why would you want to? There are so many well bred working dogs out there..

    It’s not about if I want to or don’t want to it’s just a point of interest/discussion and if nobody thought n tried it initially then we wouldn’t be we’re we are now with our dogs, yes it’s not needed now but for someone who wants keep there own line and keep it tight before an outcross then some people still choose this method albeit do the necessary which involves such methods 

    inbreeding to this level was common in years past when a breeder wanted to fix his or her own 'type' in a breed so it would be recognisable as being from a particular kennel. The successful matings would continue the type and the non successful would be culled. You can double up on the good stuff but also double up on the bad stuff. If you are interested in the subject, lots of articles at the Institue of Canine Biology site (free). Here is one for starters. https://www.instituteofcaninebiology.or ... hOr1HUEiH0

  7. Inbreeding

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    2 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

    You only have to look at the puppy farmers and council estate weapon dogs to see the effects of inbreeding. But I dispute buying a KC registered pup is a guarantee of anything.

    Our last dog Oliver (Ollie) was a KC registered Shih Tzu that my step daughter bought from a (so called) respectable registered breeder. and she paid a lot for him, poor little fella he had so many problems right from the start it was tragic. The vets bills my stepdaughter paid out for him in his short life were eye watering.

    I'm talking tens of thousands of pounds, but no way would my step daughter let him go, he was a great little fella but he went deaf and blind. He walked like he had been on the booze, he couldn't coordinate his legs. The insurance company dumped him when he was about six, after a very expensive operation on his hips that wasn't really that successful. After that they wouldn't renew his policy or wanted so much it amounted to the same thing 

    The pain killers for the arthritis in his hips was £70 a week alone.  When he finally died (of a stroke) I think the vet cried more than we did.

    We loved him, I loved him, he was my little mate but I'm telling you this to show that a "bad" dog is a victim as much as the owners, but the legacy and the cost, emotionally and financially is huge. I don't believe that breeder was straight with us

    Very sad mate n reckon your not far off the mark there..

    It makes you wonder with all the inbreeding that goes on in the wild with wolves and African wild dogs etc etc yes nature will step in sometimes and obviously more potential problems with areas of smaller packs but in the most part they don't seem to have as many problems?

  8. Inbreeding

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    54 minutes ago, Scully said:

    You say you only know of one litter where it was successful. 
     

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    54 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

    Had a couple of dogs which came from breeders who bred far too closely and both dogs suffered from epilepsy.    Same goes from greedy breeders who breed their dogs far to old, same result.

    It sure has its risks 👍

  9. Inbreeding

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    Posted · Edited by Giveemsomestick

    Alright loyd it's nice to have them registered but it's what they do on the field that matters the most isn't it so from that point of view it wouldn't bother me to much👍

    2 hours ago, Scully said:

    I think you may have answered your own question really. 

    Thanks pal but could you elaborate cheers 

  10. Inbreeding

    in Dogs and Dog Training

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    Mother to son worth the risk if willing to do the necessary or not at all obviously pros if it goes right but cons if it doesn't would anyone be brave enough if both parents ticked all the boxes for you and you wanted to keep the line as strong as poss or not worth it and has anyone known of any successful litters bred this way especially gundogs, iv only myself known of one litter of which was actually successful but they was running dogs..

  16. More idiot dog owners who should know better

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    On 17/03/2021 at 06:51, WalkedUp said:

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019863/amp/Icy-Thomas-Day-2-eyelid-bitten-savage-dog-attack.html

    Even a small dog can inflict life changing facial injuries to a small child. 

    Small dog syndrome is when any dog snaps, growls or barks at my children. Every dog is smaller than me and they all end up stomped under my boot.

    Zero tolerance is the only way. If you have a dog that’s badly behaved and take it into a public place you need to accept that each walk may be its last. 

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