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Visited this ground last saturday. We had visited once before a couple years ago, but was didn't have our guns in the car back then so never had shot there before... I was a bit worried, as I had heard they were a bit 'primitive', still had manual traps etc; however we had a fantastic day... I'm a pretty reasonable clay shooter these days so I like a 'challenge' and boy, they definitely had that, and plenty more. They have a LOT of traps, and a LOT of shooting stands; some traps you can shoot from various positions too. *most* of the traps and birds we shot were 'unusual' to say the least, some very awkward angles, some really hard to 'read' and some just fantastic long ones coming down the hilltop. What they do is 'assess' your shooting in the first stand (a driven you shoot gradually closer and closer to the trap) and if you then ask for toughies, you'll definitely get them! The funny bit is that the ones I found were the hardest were.... the ones operated with a manual trap! You can see someone took great care on placement, and some stands I left with a 1/10 and a bit miffed :-) They have the geography as well as being in a valley, with pretty dense wood at one end. There's a sim pair of fast crossers to shoot in the wood, with the clays going thru the trees -- I'm still having nightmares about this one, can't wait to have another go at it :-) We really loved the visit, this is now my favorite clay ground.