LB & the dog Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I can't understand it ! My dog is steady to all and proven on the grouse moors, but when it comes to pheasnat he can't help but chase ! I have gone back to basics reinforcing the stop whistle, but he still runs in, any more tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arwen3513 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 hi does he hold the point on the pheasant or does he self flush? i.e expecting a spaniel to turn up and ruin it... if he holds the point and you and get along side you have a chance of sitting him. if not then a lead/line may be required to stop the chase before it begins. praise for sitting, nothing new or gimmicks just repetition of what you want. jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB & the dog Posted January 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Yes with pheasant he will quarter and on the flush sometimes pause and cannot contain himself or jus chase straight away, think o will try the long line, however tried in the past and he's not daft he knows when its on, have you tried shackling before ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJT Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I know you say the dog is steady to all but how is he with rabbits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB & the dog Posted January 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 During the grouse beating we had one incident with a hare over the season which I was pleased as it was his first season, but I wouldn't trust him on our home turf I would say he's the same, he will stop most of the time, pause and then chase ! Frustrating as I know he can do it and knows what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I don't know you or your dog - but from reading what you have written, I would say he is not holding his points - which is the problem, not that he is not steady to flush. As Jan has said, if he is holding his points you can get up to him prior to the flush and reinforce the drop with your voice/presence - if he is just flash pointing, then you are going to have more work to do. Are you working him in areas with large amounts of pheasant or where there are just one or two he has to work to find? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arwen3513 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 work on the dog only flushing on command, with you stood right beside him, this way you can just pop a slip lead over his head, or clip onto collar, if he is holding point but flushing prior to be commanded, then a long line may help as you can stand on the tail end and work you way closer to the pointing dog talking calmly and encouring holding the point. at first in training you would be better to pick the dog up and move it away from the bird. this helps keep the point steady and seperate from the flush, once he is holding his own points for longer you can then flush the pointed bird yourself with gentle prod, and sit him whilst it flies away. all done gently gently in a calm way, once he is progressing you can allow him to work the area to check for any other birds, then hunt him on. good luck some trainers use dizzied pigeon, they have put down and work their dogs upto the bird, in full control (or in a release cage) this takes the hit and miss out of the hunt and you can concentrate on the point and flush only. not sure where you are to recommend any trainers that can help with this. pointing dogs do enjoy the pointing, and will hold the point longer as they grow up if encouraged to do so. many will point for a fair time until the handler releases their dog jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) What breed of dog is it? Definitely an HPR or pointer/setter? Edited January 5, 2012 by WGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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