Phil , must say thanks for the invite , it was a great outing , iv had a good 5 years off from pigeon shooting , must admit tho im getting more interested in it again . We had some lovely sporting shots that day . We used phils magnet and i brought 2x flappers . That first hour was cracking . Alltho surprisingly easy to miss them at 10 yards - mostly due to lack of weight in swinging these little 410s . Keira - phils spaniel was doing a great job picking up , but the highlight of the day was a winged pigeon that landed in the pattern , we both watched silently as it briskly walked right upto the hide , phil lifted the net in it came , phil promtly grabbed it to send him on his way - we then both burst into laughter as iv never had one walk into the hide . Cant wait for the next outing ! Wanna use field craft and 410 again , lovely and quiet . Good job as id forgotten me muffs . Ok theyd probably sound louder in the woods etc as noises bounce back -but open field they were great . Atb...