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I have a 23 I bought in the early eighties, used almost exclusively for wildfowling. Had the chokes opened to 1/4 in each barrel and always used eley magnums 4 shot for duck and w-w 3 shot for geese no problem. It's probably fired about a 1000 3" magnums and about 1500 or 2000 clay shells.
I want to reproof it so I can feel happy using eley lightnings, I've fired a couple of boxes through it so it isn't going to let go on me but wondered if anyone had had this job done.
Any comments appreciated.
BTW eley lightning 36 gm 3 are the dogs danglies when it comes to mallard, even so some come down flapping, not a situation I experienced with the 1 5/8 ounces of no 4 lead back in the day.
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See your pms.
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+1 for lyavale, they are the most non toxic shot ever, my ones (32gm supreme steal (my spelling!!!!)) don't seem to have ****** all in them. out of one box I've got 1 pigeon at about 20 yards and it only wounded it whereas those eley lightnings in my 3" gun are definite bird getters.
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Kia sorento, bought mine new in 04, 120+ thousand miles, only problem so far is punctures though, touch wood, haven't had one for a year now, tyres (kuhmo) not too expensive averages 26 mpg (2.5 td) tows up to 3500 Kgs when the mpg drops to about 22 with my 2700 kg rig on the back.
Now needs a new battery and it cost £30 to top up the aircon gas. I just put new brake discs on the front as they were getting near MOT failure thickness but the rears are only half worn as you'd expect.
Provided you don't do anything too silly it will go where my series 2a landy went so I sold that.
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Thanks but it looks like his pm box is full!
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Try Tony Morris on here. He normally keeps a few.
Many thanks.
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Need a barrel for my 1100, prefer 28" mod or imp mod barrel, not worried about a rib oh and 2 3/4" chamber. I'm in east kent.
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I'm nearly 70, overweight and with a heart condition, I'm also in remission from cancer and I started reminiscing on my life, especially around shooting which I hold very dear to me.
I started at a very young age and my first shot with a cartridge gun was with a Grange 410 which misfired, I mean the chances of that.
My formative years were spent in the valleys of gwent and my guns were 410s, 12 bores and a 577 snider enfield. Fast forward a few years and I got a job in Oz, I started accumalating centre fire rifles like they were going out of fashion. My favourite was a Mannlicher-Schoeneur in 264 winchester magnum which I used to shoot a pile of animals but used it most to cull sharks off the west coast.
I then got employed in the Norwegian offshore oil industry and my girlfriend's father was a warden on spitzbergen and used to cull the icebears there. I got an invite to go with him and I have to say it was the scariest time of my life. I bought an H&H double in 300 h&h as "my gun". It did pretty damn good on the antlered game but prospective father in law thought it massively overpowered for "the bears". My chance came and, to be honest, I bottled it. I had admit I couldn't bring myself to shoot the damn bear. At the time it was lolloping toward us with us on the menu. Prospective FIL took it out with one shot from a 9.3 mauser (IIRC) and I was ditched by the best bit of aXXs in Norway.
I moved on and one day, in Greenfields in Canterbury, Kent) bought a 12g Darne with imp cyl in each barrel. This was in 1982. I bought it because it was just over 6lbs in weight so I could tote it with my double 8 on the fenland marshes. I used the Darne more than the Tolley as there were more duck than geese and, gradually, I introduced it to my game shooting where it was my gun of choice.
The Tolley went, as did the Boss game gun and the Churchill XXV SLE but I still have the Darne. Over decoyed geese, ducks, pigeons and over driven snipe, woodcock, pheasant, grouse and partridge this gun which cost me £375 in 1983 has been my weapon of choice for all wingshooting. You can imagine my surprise when I found out it was a V19, which currently costs 18000 euros.
So my thanks go to alan florence who had the gun built and eley for making 1 & 1/8oz trapshooting cartridges in no.7 shot for keeping it going.
This is my favourite gun, slow to load but quick everywhere else.
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Like the label says though I will shoot snipe too. I'm a pretty useless shot so your game should be safe. Prefer jan 2014 dates.
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That, combined with the Jalfrezi I also had, will explain the paintstripping 'aromatic' green fug which surrounds me...
LOL, the things we do to our guts eh.
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Decorator I used to know drank varnish, it killed him but he had a lovely finish
I'll get my coat.... 
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I shot a R&L at pintail,(they're scarce my way) so they went straight into the freezer to eventually go to the taxidermist. So I have no idea what they taste like!
I only ever shot two pintail, they were a right and left and they were delicious, for some reason I kept mixing them up (identification wise) with shelducks. My pair came in on the night of dec 31st 1992 and my old dog brought them both back together. I quit shooting completely then, for the previous 6 years I'd only been out on New Years Eve. But back to the original post, teal or mallard I love teal and mallard, like everyone says mallard are bigger hence easier to hit than teal but teal are tastier. I was also very partial to wigeon, too.
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I used to have a cadet major 22, which I bought for a couple of quid in 1956, bought a 177 junk one for a quid in 57 and fitted the barrel to mine and have lost the 22 barrel. I see they now make a grand. One really ****** off oap. The 177 was great though, shot more than my share of rooks with it. I can't remember if the airchamber was the same size but the 177 barrel fitted perfectly, btw watch out for smooth bore cadets and cadet majors they were the fairground rifle of choice and you couldn't even hit the inside of the barrel unless you were lucky (well you know what I mean).
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If you can get hold of any try some marksman pointed pellets they were superbly cack.
Anything modern must be better.
Found my old BSA liked Eley Wasps years ago,I was over the moon cheapish pellet.
Figgy
Marksman pointed or flat point were all I could get in dover, got my airsporter 22 going after 26 years or so and managed a 5 shot 2" group offhand with a hawk reddot, quite pleased as I knew I pulled one and the other 4 were about an inch group at 25 metres. Good enough for me anyhow.
Do you know a bloody pheasant kept popping up on the backstop to have a peck at the ground every so often. Talk about self control. BTW fitted a chambers tuning kit but put the old spring back, paper doesn't need ft lbs. Can I say from memory it works well, no BOINGGGG gun seemed very manageable and the shots went consistently when they were pointed in the right direction.
Really enjoyed myself. If Marksman can't cut it what's a good alternative? BTW, BSA Airsporter mk 4, .22.
Finally, will any of the theobold? kits fit it?
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Well all the reccy-ing didn't pay off, shed loads of duck but too high and quite a few teal but the little ******* were less than head hight and below the skyline so I didn't get a shot. Lovely to stand and watch them though except my ghillie suit got all tied up with those damn burrs.
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Thanks, David. "A Bit" To me it's like threading a needle at arms length but my little experiment, which has no value other than an insight into what's going on, has opened my eyes to a situation I was beginning to find demoralising.
I fished out my old (1965) remington 1100 complete with cutts compensator and have screwed the skeet tube in; tomorrow I go out to ambush the ducks!
FWIW I looked up the lyavale supreme steel on the makers' website and was surprised to note that they have designed the shotcup to stay intact until at least 3 metres from the muzzle after firing; clearly this will have a profound effect on the workings of the choke on the gun; it's why I decided to use the remington, the skeet tube is very open, so much so that a 12 g cartridge can slide in until the rim stops it. As there is about 3" from the end of the barrel to the choke tube I hope the expansion then constriction of the shot cup as it leaves the barrel then enters the choke tube will cause the shot cup to break up earlier giving me back my lovely open patterns.
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I read this with some interest, coming back into the game after a 20 year break.
All my guns are old, the oldest being nearly 110 years of age, its an old scott 10 gauge which I used to use in Scotland and will still be ok there with the ww 21/4 oz of lead for my son to use.
In my other guns, a 30 odd year old winchester mod 23 sbs and a 1957 Darne V19 both bored imp cyl in each barrel, I've been using lyavale express 32 gms no4 supreme steel. Last season and this I've used 19 cartridges and have yet to hit anything with the stuff, mostly pigeons which I usually get with the second barrel loaded with 1 1/16 oz of no 6 lead hi vel.
This afternoon I went on one of my permissions and fired at a coke can with the steel load at a measured 40 metres, the can was literally riddled (approx 8 hits), so I turned it round and fired the lead load at it, same distance about 4 pellets hit, the steel were no 4 and the lead no 6.
I then taped up the front pages from the daily telegraph and fired the steel at it at the same distance, it's getting at least full choke patterns so it's little wonder I can't hit anything. The lead shot gave a lovely pattern (on page two btw) that shows why I can average two out of three on pigeons with that load. I have to point out that most of the pigeons I shot at were less than 30 yards and the mallard I shot at were in the dark against a light sky at less than 25 yards. Just to make a point, I only used steel when shooting at the duck.
I'll try the darne tomorrow to see how that performs using the same test.
So here I have my trusty old win 23 3" that is firing patterns so tight with 8 points of choke that I've no chance of hitting anything (incidentally the steel no 4s went more than halfway through the piece of 50 x 50 batten that I used to hold the can/paper with whilst the no 6 didn't - answers quite a lot of the questions I'd asked myself).
So I now have another question, are there any steel loads out there that spread a bit more?
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What's a sin about marinaded and barbecued duck?
Far too often some irk dreams up a recipe for game that's totally ott and it's my view that half a duck marinaded overnight then barbecued and served up with lashings of booze and a salad and some jersey royals can only be bettered by a whole barley fed teal treated the same way.
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Winchester mod 23, if you can get one. Mine is 1/4 choke in both barrels, use 3" steel and just been out today using up my 3" lead on pigeons.
Not too light at 7lb, not too heavy either. I've had mine for over 30 years. Had the action polished up by greenfields in canterbury as the use of the safety allowed the sears to creep, they said this was unusual (completely cured the problem btw). Believe they were made by miroku but can't vouch for that.
Great gun for wigeon under the moon, very narrow barrel profile for a sbs.
It has a semi pistol grip single trigger ejector and filled a spot once occupied by an 8 lb bsa sbs 3" so much better. Wood is absolute rubbish in the standard grades, improves to appalling for the money in the better grades. You can probably buy one for less than half your budget and get new wood fitted to almost your taste for the rest of your money.
Resist the temptation to buy one with choke tubes fitted they make it a real fatty at the muzzle.
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I've spent a few evenings out at the little bit of heaven that I shoot over, 5 acre pond surrounded by trees with a ratrun road on one side and 70 acres of cereal on the other.
Dialled in the time the ducks are flighting and the poor ******* can hardly get airborne they are that fat. The resident mallards were boosted tonight by several flocks of teal and there were some tufties.
There are also large numbers of pheasants and the amount of pigeon that roost around the pond is amazing.
Just getting gee'd up for a freezer filling session on the first.
FWIW the first brood of mallard is now nearly 4 months old but the parents are so fat they almost rival brents for size and the young are clearly visible in the gloaming. Funnily enough they don't appear to be hitting the crop next door whereas the teal are.
Hope the wigeon get in soon as I prefer them as barbecue fodder more than any other.
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Because wildfowling is a dreamer's game and, despite the cost, some of us dreamers tool up with what we consider to be best. I can't hit birds around 30 metres but my old Scott 10 pulls them down when they are 45 or so metres up using a mix of ww 4 and remington 2 in lead when I'm in Scotland and hevishot in England.
At days end £100 for some shells compares well with £90 for diesel to get there and back, then £50 odd a night for bed and board and god knows how much in the bar afterwards, put your costs in perspective fellow dreamers. The things that go bang are the final link in the chain and we are only as good as our weakest link.
That I may be my weakest link goes without saying, but I prefer to surround myself with stronger links.
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I used to go wildfowling a lot and quite successfully. Then I started going out with a guide in the .leven area. 1st time no geese then got more success. I have an old wc scott double ten and I got a right and left into a flock and took out to many I hung my gun up then (1988) . My youngest son wanted to go shooting so I joined the Folkestone and district club last year and find I can kill pigeons, just don't hit them all that often!
I also had no compunction with mallard, rabbits and squirrels so I guess it's a phase. I'm nearly 70 now and don't regret taking the break, I didn't let my certs lapse though and neither did I sell my guns. So I have a few hundred 10 and 12 magnums in lead that'll be used up on pigeons I guess.
Winchester mod 23 re-proof for steel shot.
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I may want to sell it and it'll command a higher price with the proof in place.