Raja Clavata
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Too busy dealing with people who think they’re smart, but are actually melts, playing games in real life😂
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Matt who?
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On 07/10/2022 at 15:11, Penelope said:
All very nice.
A 37 from June.
Had 14 to 23 from the place I showed you round, since the end of August.
AE looks nicer than I thought it would.
Sorry thought I’d replied earlier. Nice fish!
The issue here, am there now, is the background noise and likely M25 air pollution.
I’m on 107 now since Mid May with 16 30’s, may need to switch to the other place for winter but I’m still after two known fish from here which have so far eluded me. Suspect I’ve hooked both in the process but hookpulls are a plenty here, I assume due to the hard (chalk and flint) bottom.
ATB and tight lines!
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7 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:
It was never going to happen because those in power didn't want to deliver what the people voted for. Which goes back to my point about a remainer plot. You can't hold a vote thinking you can force people to vote a certain way and then not deliver the result when it doesn't go your way, or rather you can, but the remainers responsible then need to own the consequences that they've caused, but I won't hold my breath.
That’s one perspective.
Another is that the leave outcome was not taken seriously and hadn’t actually been thought through.
The big issue I have with the leave voters is they all claim they knew exactly what they were voting for, the issue is that none of them seem to agree on the details of what they were voting for. It’s left both sides disgruntled and the only “winners” likely to be the elite who were going to be ok whatever the outcome.
Now, I’m not in the elite club so I’m not a winner in all this, but I’m certainly not going to be impacted the same way I fear others, particularly average earners, will be. My real concern is for my kids because whilst I’m doing ok I’m not in a position to secure their financial well-being throughout their lives.
Genuinely though, I ask you, what real benefit do you see in Brexit so far or in the foreseeable future and I mean tangible / demonstrable benefits not sound bites, bus slogans or smug satisfaction that those who voted remain lost?
Can you please also explain to me how you feel that “those in power” had anything but gain in store for them by us taking back control?
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1 hour ago, Stonepark said:
The pro Remainers need to stop blaming the Brexiteers and own the problems they created, the largest being the failure to exit the EU completely and instead insist on a negotiated agreement shaped by Remainers who put their own views ahead of the electorate.
Migration, fishing, Northern Ireland and many other issues all stem from the "negotiated agreements".
Even where we have options such as Article 16 in the NI protocol, Remainers are still not prepared to put the NI people first and follow through on Art 16.
On migration the continued acknowledgement of the EU courts having final durisdiction both directly and through ECHR means we seem unable to stop the economic migration.
Energy Crisis (consumer cost especially) is in part caused by still being controlled by EU energy markets and still being signed up to how they operate by marginal pricing.
Not everything the UK does is perfect but being responsible for making you own decisions is nearly always better than relying on political concensus which is what directs the EU.
Not entering into a going around in circles discussion on this.
The notion of a clean break from the EU was a fallacy, never going to happen, that’s why people like me either voted to remain or abstained from voting altogether.
Brexiteers bought into something that was never going to be delivered. Some now appreciate it was a scam, others can’t admit it and blame everyone / anyone else.
Most of us are victims of Brexit, even if we refuse to admit it, putting the blame on those that opposed the notion in the first place is ridiculous at least and forum rules prevent me for conveying what I really think.
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2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:
Yes very true, the Conservatives was always full of remainders and there was always a plot to deliver brexit in name only.
The pro Brexit folks need to stop blaming the Remainers and own the problems they have created.
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2 hours ago, Rem260 said:
Clearly not well enough. As they still have that perception of us.
We all have our crosses to bare.
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50 minutes ago, Rem260 said:
Do these same people also tell you that they come from countries with a deep seated hatred for anyone who doesn't come from thier caste/tribe/religion. Or the rampant corruption amongst thier governments. But consider us wanting to control our borders as rampant racism that leads them to express their views to you. Not exactly the sort of countries to be giving advice on domestic policies.
Hope you feel better for that.
I’ve defended the perception of us to them, haven’t got the time or inclination to defend their opinion of us to you.
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16 minutes ago, Rewulf said:
They cant be racist , theyre not white !
But yes , youre not wrong, but that wasnt what I was getting at , its whether theyre hypocrites or not ?
Truss deserved a crack, she messed up .
Sunak will have his crack, lets see what happens, but if he messes up, its either general election , or Boris back , maybe both.
Either way , chaos will ensue, just when we dont need it, and there isnt a thing we can do about it.Since you press me on the topic, I’d say yes they are hypocritical on that point.
Agree with everything else except the Truss point. I’m not in any way saying she’s a thicko just not fit to serve as PM, that said Boris set a precedent 😂
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10 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:
Very extreme view you have there.
I think this says more about the company you keep, than how racist the UK is or indeed perceived.
Even though we are perceived worldwide as a racist country
Plenty examples there why I tend not to engage with you on this forum any more.
Life is too short to try to explain it to you.
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Agreed. Schoolboy argument around nurses earnings relevant to his wealth too, that MP needs to do better than that.
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51 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:
I can assure you that if I ever believed Farage to be racist he'd loose my support and I'm sure the very vast majority of the UK's support to.
I have no reason to doubt that squire!
The point is he doesn’t need to be overtly racist, he preys on some peoples subconscious biases and stirs such emotions. He’s very good at it, brilliant even.
You know what, according to a MIT questionnaire I’m a borderline closet racist too apparently…
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1 hour ago, Rem260 said:
Can you please tell us what Nationalities these people are that are telling you the UK is a racist nation.
I don’t have a compiled list but India, Kenya & Nigeria for starters. Not sure where you’re going with this but hey ho.
Like I said it’s a perception.
1 hour ago, Rewulf said:My partner works for a well know drinks firm, she is a promotional rep, who visits between 10 and 15 corner shops per day, the vast majority of which are owned and run by Asians of various denominations.
She has excellent relations with them and they will talk about most things, one of which is immigration , legal and illegal.
It may surprise you to know that these 'descended from refugees' people are vehemently against illegal immigrants , no matter where they be from, they say the country is 'too full !'Are they hypocrites too ?
Im not having a go , but there is serious economic and social issue attached to all this, and it needs to be addressed.Neither candidate was credible.
The membership voted for Truss because they couldnt stand Sunak.
This time around they have circumvented that vote , and pushed him through, his legitimacy is on very shaky ground , and I would imagine there will be a large exodus of party members in protest , myself included.
They will likely end up in Reform, which may or may not split the vote and put labour back in , then we can all bask in quasi socialist wokery , while the country goes down the pan.The type of people you describe are amongst the racist I’ve ever met, ironic given that you and I would probably characterise them as from an ethic background themselves.
I don’t agree that Sunak wasn’t a credible option. He did a decent enough job as CoE in difficult circumstances.
I have no issue with his background and financial standing either. Deserves a crack at it imho and I’d certainly have him over Boris.
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6 minutes ago, discobob said:
You mean the Socialist one that you liked??
Do you not think that it was they didn't want him so vicariously they voted for LT. I do feel that the whole process is totally wrong though - reminds me of Blair/Brown
No, the only credible candidate. If you stood / still stand behind Trustless that’s your choice / conscience. She is /was a joke regardless of whether she sits central, right or far right. Fit for purpose over degrees or right every time imho.
I think the Blair / Brown analogy would have worked better if Rishi had gone straight in and replaced Boris.
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I don’t believe you’re racist.
I can’t answer the majority of your questions because I’m a Brit currently living in the UK, I’m just telling you what friends and colleagues outside of the UK tell me.
I don’t know if the issue is with France or the fact that the UK is a more attractive proposition, which if the latter is the case is likely due to numerous factors.
I’d like to see evidence of how anything is better post Brexit, least of all illegal immigration into the UK.
I kind of got the taking back control bit but look at the clowns who’ve now got control. In a two horse race the Conservative party couldn’t even originally pick the only credible candidate of the two, at least that’s now been corrected.
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56 minutes ago, johnphilip said:
Is this racist or just people trying to protect there own homes , dont suppose you will see much of this story posted by the main media.
Classy interview from a classy news channel. I see nothing in the accounts from the women that they are racist.
Read between the lines with what Farage is saying though.
57 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:The Military should be dealing with them anyway.
It's their job to protect the security of the UK. They are failing miserably, I don't blame the Military, the same as I don't blame those crossing illegally. I blame our governments past and present, with their **** poor policies on immigration.
Just arm Farage with a gun boat in the channel, he’ll sort it.
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36 minutes ago, Scully said:
That’s ridiculous! Given the archbishops beliefs I could claim that he is also a hypocrite who legitimises all that is despicable about religion and the church, but that would be ridiculous also.
I don’t agree about the HS being racist either; she has a job to do and something has to be done to at least slow the flow and ensure those here under false pretences are ushered back to where they came from.
I don’t know of anyone who would open their home to complete strangers speaking a foreign language, but that’s for another thread.This.
I don’t agree with a lot the AB says or appears to believe but that doesn’t make him wrong on everything.
Cruella is a nasty piece of work, could see that way back before her recent rise to prominence.
In my experience she’s the worst type of racist.
She is using one of the numerous falsehoods of Brexit to drive a, I was going to say dark, alternative agenda in my opinion.
BTW it’s likely to end up with the RAF having to take “those people” to Rwanda as no sane commercial airline will touch it with a barge pole.
Whether we like it or not, Brexit grew an international opinion that we are a racist nation. The Rwanda debacle nails it for some. I’m not saying it’s 100% valid but from an outsiders perspective if the former asserts a hypothesis then the latter certainly does reinforce it.
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49 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:
I don't believe he's racist in the slightest and I think this shows what a massive problem that's been caused in the western world. There is so much pumped out in the media and through just about every other official source about racism that people are expecting to see it everywhere, when someone is a straight talker as Farage is, people make assumptions and I don't blame them.
The amount of baseless nonsense about racism that is pumped out in this country, if I was anything other than white British I would probably assume most of the UK's population at night must go home and despise me when not in public. It simply couldn't be further from the truth.
You’re entitled to your opinions and beliefs.
Farage is smart, very smart and in general the public are very easy to manipulate.
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1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:
But he believes in a all powerful man that lives in the clouds, so is clearly mental....
There is that and I certainly don’t agree with everything he says but I believe he’s spot on with that one.
PS we’ll never truly know what he believes re. the big guy upstairs (fwiw I think he even got the gender wrong but that’s a separate topic which we not supposed to discuss 🤫)
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12 hours ago, Scully said:
Why do you claim he is a racist?
I agree with the Archbishops comments about him legitimising racism.
It might not be as overt as Cruella ( Home Secretary) but she’s on another level.
Ironic given that both of them are descended from refugees.
That also makes them hypocrites.
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Only time will tell but the truth lies somewhere between the two bookends debated here, I suspect the truth lies slightly more towards Rewulf’s account but in reality this thread ran its course about 68 pages ago.
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2 hours ago, oowee said:
A totally misguided racist that has done more harm to this country that Corbyn could do in his dreams. Starting with the 4% hit on the economy the higher taxes that we have to pay, the inconvenience, the loss of R&D. If it was up to me he would be tried for treason.
+1 although to be fair I’d skip the trial
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Surely what they’ve done today is an act of terrorism. Anti terrorist police, or more capable units should be taking them down.
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There should be no talk of rejoining the EU.
I’ve never voted Labour and can’t see myself ever doing so but I can’t see how, in general, they could be any worse than the current lot. To be clear I’m not advocating finding out and appreciate it would impact country sports, but honestly.
It’s a mess of epic proportions and I really don’t know what the answer is.
I would have “benefitted” from the proposed tax on paper (pocket) but as I said previously on this thread there is no point being personally minted if everything around you is impoverished. That seems to be the way we are going. I don’t follow the reasoning that supports that idea unless you’re so minted you can live on a yacht somewhere and / or have a private track you can drive your super cars around on.
e.g. No point owning a super car that you can’t drive for fear of smashing it into potholes on a daily basis.
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The only way to solve the issue is by working constructively with the French, fact, whether we like it or not.
Its been difficult for the last 6 years but now we finally have a credible PM I expect we might see some progress.
Rishi just needs to keep Cruella out of the discussions…