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I want a tactical Pump action.. Its not going to get much use, so quality isn't all that important. I already have an Hatsan Escore Semi and am really happy with it, so the Tactical Pump looks ideal. But when I went to get a quote from my FD they told me to avoid the pump at all costs.. And they tryed to convinced me to buy something better.. But in truth, they completely missed the point. I just wanted something cheap. They got me a quote for the Hatsan anyway and it was £410 but still kept reminding me that it wasn't a good purchase... Finally as I was giving up, they pointed me to the Revo they were selling for £275. To be honest, this looked ideal.. Cheaper than the Hatsan.. And considering that I dont' really care about quality, it looked just the job.. But they are out of stock until the end of next Month (March 2013)... Last night I met a RFD who disagreed with the comments abotu the Hastan. He said that it would be perfect for my needs. So my question is whether anyone has compared the Hatsan to the Revo, and whether the Hastan is worth the extra £140 over the Revo? To be honest, at £275 the Revo looks too good to be true.. But since its only ever going to be fired occasionally, I can't see it being an issue and its the logical choice. Does anyone have any experience or advice? Jon

I have recieved an offer.. Until the deal is done, I am marking this as provisioally sold.. .Thanks for all your interest.

I should point out that i am in Newport, South Wales (Gwent).

Just to conclude this thread, I shot the Escort on Saturday and its fine.. Cycles 28g loads perfectly and performs exactly the same as the original gun they sold me... Clearly the play is normal and doesn't affect the performance. Thanks for everyones feedback on this matter! Jon

Not sure about that.. As far as I can tell, the 0-ring stops the gas from going forwards (i.e out the front of the fore-end).. So all the gasses come backwards, pushing the piston back.. But since the piston doesn't really fit very tightly, I just get the feeling that the gasses would go past the piston, rather than push it back. But this is pure speculation on my part! Jon

Thanks all.. I wasn't too worried about the piston sliding.. Its clearly ment to do that as thats how it cocks the bolt back (although I don't remember it doing so on the first gun). But the 'play' when the bolt was closed surprised me... I am still trying to work out exactly how the gas mechanism works and figured that if there is slack, then the inital blast of gas when you fire would come around the outside of the piston, rather than push it back.. But I am sure its right and just have the find the opportunity to test fire it now. Thanks for your help Jon

Nope.. Its on nice and tight... But when the barrel is in place, the piston just doens't seem to fit quite right.. I will make a Youtube video later and would appreciate your thoughts Jon

Yep.. Assuming you are talking about the 1-2mm thick one which goes on after the piston. The Piston slides onto the mag tube.. Then the o-ring goes on.. And then the barrel pushes down over the mag tube and the o-ring fits into the groove in the barrel... But even when this is done there is still some 'slop' on the piston. Jon

Hi.. I am hoping there is someone out there with a Hatsan Escort Semi-Auto who can help me. Since I already have a double barrel and pump, I decided I wanted to build the collection and get a cheap Semi.. After looking at the 2nd hand market, I decided on an Escort. I wanted something a bit different to what I have, so ordered a 26" model. A few days later it arrived and I was really pleased with it, however, when I looked closer in the box, I found a registration card that had already been completed! Turns out that it had been sold before, returned, Hatsan gave a full refund and it was put on the shelf as 'new'.. And then it found its way to me... I complained to Hatsan and to cut a long story, they replaced it.. But since there were no 26" models in the country, I opted for a 28" instead. It was ment to be delivered on the Friday, but didn't turn up, so they told me to use the 26" that I had, because it was going to be used as a 'demo'. So the next day I took it to my local clay ground, and first short 20 rounds or so at their pattern plate and I was surprised how well it worked.. It cycled both types of 28g that I had (Fibre and Plastic) and it seemed faultless. I then shot a bunch of clays and returned home looking forwards to getting my replacement on the Monday. I got the replacement but havn't had chance to shoot it yet.. But there is something about it which bothers me and I didn't notice it on the last one.. Its to do with the 'piston' and just wonder if someone can help me. I have made 2 observations.. 1. When the bolt is cocked back.. If I tip the gun forwards/back you can hear the piston sliding up and down the mag tube.. I would assume that this is normal, but I didn't notice it on the last one. 2. When the bolt is closed, if I look at the piston, its loose.. I can still move it forwards/back 3mm or so.. I would imagine that when the bolt was closed, it would push the piston as far forwards as possible, and there would be no play.. But as it is now, and the piston is loose, I don't feel confident. I am almost certainly looking for problems and its fine, but I would just like re-assurances from another user.. Anyone out there who can help me? Jon

Last year I bought my first gun (Bettinsolli).. At the time I was told that it was too short, and they would put the longer (25mm) butt pad in the post in the coming days/weeks... It never came and after months of chasing it, they have told me to give up. I even contacted the UK distributer who confirmed they have been unavailable for months. Because the gun was sold to me on the principal that it was too short and they were going to send me an extension pad, I have argued that its not fit for purpose.... So to compensate me, they have offered to have my gun 'professionally fitted', as long as I buy the pad.. This will mean driving a few hours to get the gun delivered to them, but its worth it.... However, I have just been in contact with the Bettinsolli distributer again and they have just had stock... So I just wonder whether I would be better off paying a bit and having the gun 'fitted' for free.. or whether the free 25mm pad will do the job. If I go for the fitting.. I have to consider... 1. £25-£30 for a pad 2. Deliver the gun to them 3. No gun for a couple of weeks. If I go for the 'free' pad, I will simply get it in the post and fit it myself.. Since they have offered to have my gun 'fitted' would I be stupid not to take them up on the offer? Jon

Thanks Gorden... I think I might got the same way. The one I have is great, but its not bright enough (As very little of the optical fibre is exposed)... I am temped to get the long one for my 'main' gun and then move the short one to my spare.. Atleast this will give me a little 'project' to build something which will allow me fit it to a barrel that has no rib... Let me know how you get on with yours.. Before I got my gun, I only shot with an Easy Hit and found it really easy (as I have severe X-eye dominance).. When I got my gun I didn't have an Easy hit and found it hard, if not impossible.. You should find your 'Ruby' very helpful and you will wonder how you ever managed without it... All the best Jon

Did you get it from Ebay in the end? Even though I spouted all the ethical stuff, I still think that its a better deal than the EasyHit.. I just think that since they ripped off the 'EasyHit', they should do it for a more realistic price.. Perhaps £10 or £15.. Another Forum member helped me out with an Easyhit which is great, but its the short version and not too bright.. I am still tempted to buy the long 'Ruby' and then shift my short one, onto my Mossberg (Assuming I can find a way to mount it on a round barrel that has no rib)... Jon

Interesting.. I thought I already had this diagram, but on mine, it shows the "bolt assembly" complete as a 'restricted' item. In your diagram, it clearly shows the bolt broken down into parts 33-36 and there does not appear to be a spring.. I wonder if this spring was added in newer models, as in the video I watched, there is certainly a conical spring on the firing pin inside the bolt... Thanks for that.. Since mine is the same as this diagram, its certainly put my mind at rest! Jon

I have a Mossberg 600at which works fine.. But over Christmas, I found a Youtube video as to how to strip it (actually it was for the 500, but I have found out that they are the same).. When I stripped it, I found that there is no spring in my 'breach' where as in the video there was. I put a post here asking whether anyone with a 500/600 could check theirs, but got no answer. I also asked on an American forum.. And again nothing. I even mailed Mosberg and they havn't replied. So I am stuck now.. I just want to find out whether the spring should be there and if not, get it replaced, so i wonder if there are any good gunsmiths who might be able to help.. Can anyone help point me in the right direction? Jon

The cheapest place for the Ruby is Ebay.. There is a seller who does then for £20 inc postage.. There is a bit of a dilema with the Ruby.. Te EasyHit isn't worth the money (you will know when you see it in the flesh).. its a 10p item.. BUT.. you are paying for their development and their idea.. So its not unreasonable to pay £30 (although I still tihnk its a bit steep).. However, the Ruby is a blatent copy.. Its now a 10p item, which cost them almost nothing to develop and/or manufactur, so £20 (in my mind) is a blatent rip-off. If they are going to rip off another companies product, then they really shouldn't charge top dollar for it... So, whilst you are saving £10 on this I do feel that the Ruby people have overstepped the mark. Jon

Hang on all.. You are making this sound sinister.. I was simply curious.. I had the gun in bits on the table and just wondered (out of curiousity) what the law was regarding 'parts'.... I realise it was common sense and I had already put it back together and put it in the safe before I got my first answer.. But it was just the act of having it in bits, got me thinking. There is nothing going on.. No hidden agenda.. I just wondered whether a stripped gun had to be treated the same way as a fully assembled one! And then on from this, what parts of a gun, make a gun, a gun.. Say for instance (and again, this is hypoteical), if I removed certain parts (i.e trigger assembly, bolt, etc), but then put the gun back to gether so that it LOOKED like a gun, could this still be left outside of a safe. Again, this is all hypothetical.. I was simply curious! Jon

As I understanding it, a gun needs to be locked in a safe when its not in use, and I follow this rule religiously. But today I stripped my pump action and it got me thinking.. Whats the law regarding the storing of 'parts'? Even if your gun is just a collection of 'bits', does it still need to be stored as if it were a complete gun? Jon

I have just found a good video of how to dissasemble the Mossberg 500 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oKbWcPdTRBI) and since its almost the same as the 600at (infact, i don't even know what the difference is between the 500 and the 600at), I decided to have a go at stripping my gun. In the video, the bolt assembly clearly has a 'spring' in it.. Where as on mine 600at, it doesn't.. Does anyone know if it should be there? Perhaps this is the difference between the 500 and 600?? If it is needed, what are the implications of it not being there? Could I simply order the spring and fit it myself (although this will require dismantling the bolt assembly, which may be something that a Gunsmith should do). Also, when re-assembling, is it a good idea to lube the parts? If so, what with Gun Oil? Grease? Any info on this would be appreciated Jon

So how exactly does that work in practice.. You line up your gun so that the sight is just below the clay and track it.. You then raise it following it over your head. Are you saying that as soon as it gets to the point where you can no longer see it, because the angle means that the barrel is in the way, you shoot? What if you hesitate and miss the 'moment'. Is there a way to recover? Jon

I am a complete novice and have only had 1 lesson. I plan to have more, but for now, I am doing a bit of practice/self learning. I can shoot most clays but struggle with ones which go over your head.. Everything else is OK, as I can vary the amount of lead (not the metal, but shooting in front of the clay) until I find the point where I hit it.. The more I shoot, the more natural and instinctive the process is getting.. But when they go over your head, I have no idea where to start.. As you know, the barrel gets in the way of the clay and you can't see it, so its very difficult to aim. I wonder if I should be aiming at the clay and then just as I pull the trigger, I quickly move ahead of it?? Can anyone give me some tips? I have a book which I am going to start reading, but I just figured that someone might be able to give me a qiuck answer. I look forwads to your replies Jon

I was in the same position as you and in the end bought this: http://www.molevalleyfarmers.com/pd5_SHOOT...MPREHENSIVE.htm The same item can be found for £27 on Ebay, so this is a really good price.. Its excellent value.. Has everything you need (and more) and it all fits nice case. There are a pair of "snap caps" to which add to the overal value. Good luck! Jon

My first and only experience shooting was with an EasyHit and I found it brilliant. The next day I was shooting another gun (this time a right handed gun off my left shoulder) and had to squint/close my right eye and I was useless. Now I have my gun, I simply stuck a bit of tape on the right lens and it works, but I find it distracting and uncomfortable (As there is a blind blob in the middle of one eye). There is no doubting that the EasyHit is a brilliant product.. And if I am honest (Going out on a limb here) being X-eye dominant is an advantage. Think about, most peoples 'good' eye are 50% obscured by the barrel.. Their peripheral vision comes from their weaker eye.. If you are X-eye dominant and have something like an easy hit, then you 'bad' eye is obscured by the barrel, but the ability to see the sight is taken care of by the way that the EasyHit works.. This leaves you a good eye free for your peripheral vision! It certainly works for me and I can't wait to get mine in the post this week! Jon

I did a bit of a Google search for 'adhesive tape' suppliers and found one which did the entire 3M range.. I spoke to them and the minimum I could buy is one roll of 12mm wide.. I told them that I wanted 6 and for that I would have to buy a box. Then then I got talking about samples and they said that they would be happy to send me some 25mm wide 3M stuff, but the smallest 'sample' is 5m (like I am going to complain).. So if this is the right stuff, I might be sorted.. 50 times over... I should be able to cut it to width/length, so hopefully this will be the right stuff for the job!! Jon

Following Kennys amazing offer to send me one, I am sorted for now.. The one he is sending me is a little short, but I will give it a go and see how I get on. But I need to find the adhesive strip so that I can refit it.. I thought the EasyHit guys might help, but they want £10, just for a bit of double sided tape (albeit strong stuff).. DOes anyone know where I can source 'industrial strength' tape, suitable of fixing the easyfit to the Rib? Jon

In a word.. Yes! I had a lesson shooting right-handed and shot 50 out of 60 clays on my first go. I then had a go right handed and was a lot worse.. I asked whether I should change and was told that "if it wasn't broken, don't fix it" and was advised to stick with what felt natural. Since I have now bought a Left handed gun, changing to the right is out of the question.. So i am stuck with things the way they are! Jon