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Yes it is the same as my one ! Its for skeet and was actually quite an expensive manual trap, its way way better than all those crappy ones fitted to sledges and the like a good bit of solid engineering. I have as full manual for it somewhere but if you contact Bowman they are very helpful. The handle should be a steel tube.

What you are describing sounds like one I have . I actually contacted Bowman when I got my one off ebay. My one has to be bolted down to something very solid as it takes a great deal of effort to cock it, it is adjustable for elevation too. These traps were really quite expensive when new, in excess of £300 ! The trap was designed for use in skeet shooting required manual cocking but could have a solenoid release mechanism. This is only true of course if you have what I think you have described I have a manual for it some where which I got from Bowman who were very helpful.

£325 is not that good. I picked up a style with mod ,2x 10 and a 5 shot mag with 10x42 ir scope and to top it a harris bipod and 75 rounds all for .... £ 280 rifle is immac. The guy who sold me it knew his stuffand did give me a good deal so I don't think it was too much under the norm. for got to add sling and swivles!!

Surely the thing here is not the velocity of the shot aiding hitting the target but aiding the killing effect of the shot on the target. Two projectiles of the same mass and size but travelling at different velocities will give different energies at the poi. Probably more important when game shooting but definitely worth paying for when shooting say high pheasant. Simply put a size 5 at 1500 ft / sec has more energy than the same 5 does at 1200ft/sec maybe more important when you are trying to kill a bird not break a clay, or am I missing the point altogether?

Hi Plinker No I don't think you are missing anything. My question was really borne form the thought that given the the cost of cartridges it would be nice to be able to use one type for both disciplines. Given that 500 decent clay cartridges costs~ £100 and ~ £140 for the game it would be great if one would do. I know of course you can buy 50 at a time but that is an even more expensive route. I was in fact trying to gain an idea of the thinking of the experienced shooter, as a novice I would be tempted at times to have a bash with a clay load but is it really a fair hunting method? jp

Thanks Clayman I thought something the same. I think as a relative newcomer to shotgun shooting I was more concerned that a 7.5 at 1350 vs a 6 at 1450 might lead to more runners than is acceptable,when another cartridge might be a better choise. I only shoot pheasants, partridge, woodcock and of course woodies so larger game is not a problem. Dead - eye If you think I am about to chase after a runner pheasant when a dog can do it for me no thanks I normally just stretch their necks.

Hi newbie asking newbie style question. I was thinking about the cartridges I use for hunting Express supreme game 32g 6s and clay cartridges Express HV 28g 7.5s . My question is ..would it be irisponsible to use a clay cartridge for game purposes? Logic says that if you are on target its a dead un but what about the winging factor is it liable to be higher with a clay cartridge? Or is this practice a no no? jp

Hi all just thought I would introduce myself as I am new to the site. I have been shooting for a wee while now but am sure I will be learning a lot from the people on here. I have been reading some of the posts over the past few weeks and have gained a lot of tips already! jp