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48 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:
Zapp direction was clear, we are to avoid oneanother, I have nothing else to say to you.
Wrong again, I’m afraid! Zapp’s intervention, as all can see, was about unspecified “squabbling” on another thread.......and as far a I know it did not require anyone “to avoid oneanother” or forbid anyone responding/posting on another thread?
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1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:
PM sent in attempt to clear up any misunderstanding. Hopefully we can then get back to the questions 👍 (I avoided a kiss emoji lol)
You posted your accusations on a public forum, what wrong with clearing up the “misunderstanding” in public too?
😂
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2 hours ago, Retsdon said:
When the Tories were in disarray and Blair's government was a fixture, Sugar was staunch Labour supporter. When Labour is in disarray and a Tory government is a fixture, he's a staunch Tory supporter.
There might be a pattern here....
Nothing to do with Labours move to the left then? 🤔
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Persecution is an emotive word, implying that the subject is systematically and relentlessly pursued.........that is not the case with raptors! Raptor mortality has been hijacked by anti shooting protectionists as a means to attack shooting! That is why they Immediately imply/accuse shooting interests as responsible for every raptor death, however it occurred! They use the word persecution, for maximum emotional effect! To gain support/backing from a naive general public and provide copy for a sensationalism hungry media, I accept there may be a few opportunists, even the odd keeper who would shoot something.........just because they wanted to, or the chance presented itself........but widespread, relentless and systematic persecution? Nah!....otherwise raptors wouldn’t be increasing in numbers, as they are!
Similarly the word “bloodsport” is a label the antis put on fieldsports, deliberately intended to stimulate an emotional shock in order to maximise a supportive reaction from a naive general public, many who think Bambi and Peter Rabbit are real animals, and meat doesn’t come from animals but comes wrapped in plastic....from Tesco’s. -
Didn’t hear anyone interviewed (RSPB or Plod) asked to explain who found each of the dead raptors? And how and why the alleged finders were out and about during lockdown?
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16 minutes ago, bluesj said:
Does anyone else think that demonstrations in London will have absolutely no impact on what happens in the usa
Not really, but in the UK it gives the right on, woke, class warriors, professional protesters, left wing anarchists and troublemakers a chance to turn out on a sunny day, shout, act aggressively, damage property, cause chaos and if it escalates to looting...........maybe go home with a new 60 inch telly?
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Looting shows they are thieves and criminals operating under a cloak of solidarity with the oppressed!.....nothing but lawless, thieving scum!
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1 hour ago, Bobba said:
Hopefully you did not intend to include health care professional Doctors, Nurses etc etc in your sweeping statement "for the failures of the NHS"?
My view (for what it's worth) is failures by Public Health England. Who proudly boast as one of its responsibilities "preparing for and responding to public health emergencies"..............!
I imagine no one would criticise the workers within the NHS........In my opinion, any failures can be laid fairly and squarely on the shoulders of those who's responsibility is to run the NHS........
What was a wartime popular saying? “Lions led by Donkeys”
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1 hour ago, oowee said:
Fully appreciiate what you are saying. It is for the Home Office to set the rules and they have decided that the Chief Constable must be satisfied to issue a licence. To some extent I agree that this is the right thing to do. They must be able to use their discretion but their discretion should be limited regarding additional requirements.
IE If you put anything on your form that raises a suspicion for concern then a doctors report should be required (how it was intended to work). Rather than allowing the discretion that a report is required in all circumstances. Alternatively ask us all to provide the report with a standardised cost across the country. Either way it is for the Home Office (Govt) to reset the instructions to ensure an even handed approach.
Mine is due for renewal in Nov. Local force is saying dont put in for any variations. Its an on line form so I am hoping its all straightforward 🤞
That’s the “rub”.....to “the satisfaction of the Chief officer of police“ can, if abused (and I believe it is being abused!) mean anything! That can mean that if an applicant does not comply, no matter how outlandish, with what they’re instructed, By and at the whim of some public employee (rather than the law!)......then they don’t get a licence!
I agree with the first sentence in the second paragraph!
Good luck with your renewal in November!
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On 28/05/2020 at 10:33, oowee said:
As I understand it the issue is more the Government guidelines than the Chief Constable. The guidelines are not instructions and the CC has to be satisfied in his or her own mind to issue the ticket. If they decide, as they are apparently allowed to do, that a Dr'ss letter is required then it is a failing of the guidance.
As I understand it the chief constable association were involved in negotiations, and agreed the Home Office guidance? As did the GP’s......the GP’s then reneged on the agreement, because they wanted payment for their involvement, and wouldn’t comply if they didn’t, subsequently the police also reneged on the agreement, by supporting the GP’s blackmail...........because the police wanted GP’s involvement in the licensing process? The police weren’t going to stand the cost of GP involvement.........so they forced the financial responsibility on to gun owners! By using/misusing the “to the satisfaction of the chief officer of police” clause in the granting of gun licences! By introducing a rule stating “no GP’s letter, no licence”
That is where we are now! Both the police and the GP’s reneged on the agreement that led to the Home Office Guidance.........it’s nothing to do with public safety it’s about who pays the money! -
I read a different truth is emerging about Cummingsgate........apparently one geezer who reported Cummings has been reported as breaking lockdown himself by travelling from Durham to pick his daughter up in the South of England, and another “witness” has confessed he made up a sighting of Cummings “as a joke”....there is also growing evidence that influential remainers have been fanning the flames of this non story for political reasons? Can you believe that? 😆
Hopefully the real truth will emerge eventually? It may turn out that politically stimulated mob rule, if it had succeeded, could have executed a man for a trifling misdemeanour?
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2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:
But the Government have been providing daily updates and discussing the details of these various issues, so I really don't get your line of reasoning here. Sounds like spin to me.
No from my personal experience John is correct......again you attempt to muddy the waters, to try and demonstrate you weren’t wrong!
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1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:
I see this as another of your arguments built on foundations of sand!
The 'government' of whom you are being critical are presumably the political people - i.e. the ministers, junior ministers, secretaries of state, and other MPs - elected for their party to take up a policy forming and overseeing role. They are 'this government' in that they are the people who are selected by the Prime Minister to have executive roles in his administration.
However - they do not personally order the PPE, the ventilators, place the contracts for the data processing software etc. No - they task the machinery of government - the civil service - with implementing the policies of the government.
In this unprecedented situation, the civil service have had to try and obtain goods, materials, services in a timescale that is far far faster than their normal cautious and well trodden (if far from perfect) approach. Inevitably when you rush things through ....... mistakes happen.
The TRUTH is that it has nothing to do with government ministers - the same need for lots of PPE, ventilators, data processing would have happened whichever party was in power - perhaps on different timescales - but almost exactly the same. ALL governments worldwide have been in the same crisis of equipment and resources.
Beat me to it John!...........I’m aligned with this! ^ 🤣
8 minutes ago, Mice! said:
This may have already been posted, I'm not looking through, but he was in Australia watching the rugby yesterday!!! The bloke just doesn't care 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Marvellous 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Where’s Wally?
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My guess.......Giant Sequoia? Or Giant Redwood as derbyduck said?
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Thanks for the replies fellas, apparently BG is back in production, so I think I’ll just wait until supplies start to get more generally available again!
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22 minutes ago, Jaymo said:
You didn’t look at the photo I attached then!!!!
I did, and immediately went on the B&Q website..........every store had a red x against multifinish plaster.......indicating no stock??....
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9 minutes ago, Delwint said:
Sutton in Ashfield and Notts are close to me. Hence why I though they had stock. I picked up 20 bags today 🤦🏻♂️
Every B&Q store countrywide, I look up on the net, comes up as no supply?.....how on earth did you manage to get them to part with 20 bags?
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38 minutes ago, Delwint said:
B&Q has pallets of the stuff 😂
If they have they ain’t releasing it.....at least not to me!
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Anyone in or around the midlands got 10/12, 25kg bags of in date, multifinish plaster, at a reasonable price?........
Genuine enquiry, but please don’t all laugh at once! 😂
Worth a try!
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Brilliant enfieldspares thanks for posting!
They appear either small blokes.......or big guns? 😆
More photos if you have em?
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3 minutes ago, Zapp said:
Enough squabbling please, take it to PMs or ignore one another.
No problem Zapp I’m done with it!
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19 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:
You're entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone else, you don't know me so your only way of judging me is based on what I post here and of course this is reciprocated in my perspective of you.
I was using a court room scenario as a metaphor based on my perspective of your postings on this forum that you have limited reasoning skills and appear to get a bit lost when it boils down to relatively simple matters or logic and rhetoric. These are just my perceptions but on topics related to current affairs you appear to be one of those posters who contributes very little but tends to jump in with both feet to engage in a group kicking. I find that particularly sad and pathetic, frankly, but have come to expect and accept little else from you and your ilk. My main point was, it'd never get to a real court because your brief would know he's beaten before you start.
Now, if you want to have a proper ding dong we can take it to PM so as to avoid everyone else being bored by all this. I will stop here as I'm in danger of breaching my own rule of never stating something in open forum that I wouldn't be prepared to say to someone's face. Not that I'd be afraid to say i,t but it'd probably get me banned.
As you have failed to raise to my challenge, I can only assume you have no experience to back up your threats then? 😆 it appears to me your all talk with nowt to back it up.
Probably best you’ve decided to “stop here”..........as I’ve obviously hit a raw nerve or three! 😂 and you are, true to type reacting badly to it!
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A nice bag with a beautiful gun........but please, I may be teaching my granny to suck eggs?..........remember blood takes the blacking off barrels!
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34 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:
Just to clarify, do you ever put across an opinion in open fora believing you are wrong?
You must have missed my conceding I was wrong about Brexit in the GE outcome and getting behind government to deliver on the commitment to / mandate from the UK public.
It's this kind of selective amnesia and limited scope of reasoning that often leads to frustration and, sorry, but from my perspective you are one of the main culprits (despite your claims of a dazzling career on the court / employment tribunal circuit, which I wholeheartedly take at face value).
Probably not because if I’m convinced I am wrong, I will bow out of the debate!........ Accepting the fact one was wrong, after being convinced one is wrong, is different from one having to accept one is wrong after being proven wrong!....my perspective of you is you never concede to the former, and only reluctantly and grudgingly the latter!
As to my “dazzling career on the court/employment tribunal circuit” (your words) perhaps you would enlighten everyone (with examples) as to the legal experience you possess, that would add substance to your boast that you could systematically take me apart in a courtroom?
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Not at all! I was just interested in you private explanation by PM to your public accusation on this forum, that johnphilip called/implied you were homosexual.....when In response he has reproduced the “offending posts” which as far as I can see say/imply nothing of the sort?
If you are going to post anything contentious on a public forum, be prepared to answer on the same public forum when challenged by those that disagree with, or question the veracity of your postings!.......it’s cowardly to avoid public scrutiny by responding to a challenge by private message!