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On 15/05/2023 at 23:54, Gas seal said:
Hi silver fox I don’t know the twist rate in the rifling of the barrel . It was discussed on reviews of non lead 22 on a USA website. It seems like a different twist will improve accuracy because of the higher velocity. There are films of testing the different types of non lead on US websites it shows different guns and barrel length have different groups. I will see if I can find any non lead and try them. It may be a case of buying a gun to suit the ammunition.
Hi, yes that’s what I’m now thinking but would prefer to change the barrel
thanks for the info I’ll have a look
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Hi
A friend of mine had his browning stock and four end done by this gentleman
ian lingham gunsmith, repairs and restoration 01622 884536 Email ianlingham22@gmail.com
nr sittingbourne
give him a try hope this helps.
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11 hours ago, London Best said:
I have shot since the end of 1960.
I still look forward to every day, every season.
I never consider giving up, let alone looking for an excuse to do so.
Hobby shooters may give up, proper shooting men, for whom it’s a way of life, do not.
I will be quite happy to keep shooting until they have to bring me home in the game cart.Hi, and long may you continue.
I don’t plan on giving up any time soon either
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44 minutes ago, Sweet11-87 said:
yeah thats fair enough. but when i said you i meant the general you. apologies reading it back it did sound like i was targeting yourself.
i too have came across shooters who say when lead goes they will too. i dont think its a protest i honestly think its just some of the older boys seeing it as the watershed moment to give up somthing theyve done along time and for multiple reasons have been thinking about it anyway. if its already at the back of your mind to hang up the guns it as good time as any as opposed to having to make the transition then doing it shortly after.
if i asked any of the grey hair brigade i know from shooting to sum it up in a sentence i think the new BASC slogan would become "its just not what it used to be" across the board and in every sence of the meaning
Yes, I think you’re pretty much spot on
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9 minutes ago, Sweet11-87 said:
if youre shooting with high end side by sides and purdys that are heirloom worthy i cant imagine its a rough shoot. chances are bismuth isnt going to be the most expensive part of your day.
Hi, let me put you straight I don’t shoot with high end, guns I just load for the people that do.
agreed, you’re both right, they just don’t like the idea of shooting with steel, I suppose some will pack up and some will carry on even though their guns probably are capable of using steel, but that’s not my decision all I know is what is being said
6 minutes ago, Scully said:Then he could use Bismuth.
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He will hand his shotgun down to his son!. He shoots probably one day a season,
and daddy pays for the day
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8 minutes ago, Gas seal said:
Hi the men who made the guns would never have dreamed the guns would be obsolete or destroyed by using steel ammunition. It’s the.22rf that maybe obsolete, from what I read we could need a different twist to the barrel to use the non lead rounds.
Hi interesting so a knew barrel would be cheaper than buying a new gun as well,
have you any ideas on the twist rate?
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29 minutes ago, Scully said:
If it’s nitro proofed then I can’t see why not.
If the gun isn’t capable of using steel or another type of NTS then it’s worthless, but me being a soft hearted gent’ will offer the bloke with the Purdy 50 quid for it. Can’t say fairer than that. 👍Hi, I’ll tell you what scully if they don’t sort the 22 rimfire ammunition out you can buy my 22rf for 50 quit🤫
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27 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:
What a very bizarre thread this has developed in to!
Yeah, gone way off topic now I blame Holloway he bought the subject up about shotgun cartridges😂😂
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1 minute ago, Scully said:
If you can’t use them then why would you want to hand it down to anyone, especially if it’s not worth anything?
Maybe because he seems to think it’s an antique
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2 minutes ago, Scully said:
If it’s nitro proofed then I can’t see why not.
If the gun isn’t capable of using steel or another type of NTS then it’s worthless, but me being a soft hearted gent’ will offer the bloke with the Purdy 50 quid for it. Can’t say fairer than that. 👍I’ve already offered him 30 quit for it i’ll let you know if you have it gets back to me 😂😂
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11 hours ago, London Best said:
Standard steel, with the correct cartridge, is no problem through old English guns in good condition. It doesn’t seem to bother my H&H from 1930.
Strange thing: older shooters thinking about giving up rather than maybe ruin their guns. Who cares if the gun is knackered when you are?
Fair play to you, I think it’s all different reasons for packing up some of these guns are heirlooms I wouldn’t be worth handing down if they was knackered some of them are not renewing their shot gun licenses, because they I can’t be bothered to jump through hoops doctors certificates and all that
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3 hours ago, London Best said:
What has that got to do with not wanting to fire steel shot through ‘best’ guns?
Nothing, but it’s a good excuse to not carry on when the steel band comes into force
2 hours ago, Scully said:Really? Why would they would think their guns will blow up?
If you had a gun made in 1897, would you want to put steel through it?
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7 hours ago, London Best said:
Standard steel, with the correct cartridge, is no problem through old English guns in good condition. It doesn’t seem to bother my H&H from 1930.
Strange thing: older shooters thinking about giving up rather than maybe ruin their guns. Who cares if the gun is knackered when you are?
7 hours ago, Scully said:This.
Think they’re more worried about the guns blowing up and also some have said the killing instinct isn’t there anymore
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20 hours ago, holloway said:
To be fair no I’m not a rifle shooter, but there are a lot of reviews on the internet many very positive ,and let’s be frank there are still many who say steel shotgun cartridges are rubbish and those who bother to check themselves have been converted .
Hi, the other side of this coin, I do a lot of loading during the pheasant season season and I’m a member of a syndicate mysel All of the guns, have Purdys and high-end side-by-side, some of which were handed down from their parents and bought for them when they were younger. A lot of the guns are reaching 60 to nearly 80 years old now. The thing is at the stage in life some of them don’t want to buy a new gun so they can shoot steel and don’t want to put steel through there, best Purdys and some of them have mentioned to me when this lead ban comes into affect they will probably pack up shooting
A good reason why we need to encourage the younger generation to Shoot
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10 hours ago, Windswept said:
Can you post any links to reviews from someone you trust? I would like to use lead free .22 in some situations which is why I tried a box. I was honestly quite shocked at how bad it was and I've used a fair bit of budget .22 in my time.
It is also still hard to get hold of and very expensive so it's not realistic to get half a dozen different makes to try. I'm not convinced the light weight bullets will be that good in many existing .22s and I've been waiting for years for something similar to lead to come along, such as the Hortonium that has been suggested.
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I haven’t seen a good review with lead free in 22lr yet?.
there’s one bad review that keeps coming up every time I research 22LR is Field sports Britain field tester and that doesn’t look good at all -
20 hours ago, old'un said:
I have posted this link in another thread but it might be worth contacting them to see where they are with launching this alternative to lead.
Hortonium lead shot alternative drop test…https://www.hortonguns.com/?p=688
Lead shot ban, pah! Old news..https://www.hortonguns.com/?p=671
Interesting reading thanks for sharing
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10 hours ago, Scully said:
Fair enough.
There’s no logic in their stance against head shot rabbits, but there’s not much logic in the lead shot ban either, so their choice I suppose.
Things are going to get tricky for pet food suppliers when the alternatives are banned also. 🙂I suppose they’ll have to start making veggie/vegan pet food…..oops, silly me, that’s already happening! 😀
Yes, yes let’s all be vegan, and stop all live quarry shooting. The problem with that is the rabbits pigeons and everything else will be eating all crops
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20 hours ago, holloway said:
To be fair no I’m not a rifle shooter, but there are a lot of reviews on the internet many very positive ,and let’s be frank there are still many who say steel shotgun cartridges are rubbish and those who bother to check themselves have been converted .
Hi, I have used steel in shotguns I would say it’s fine as long as long as you rein your distance in a bit, the thing is, there’s always danger of a ricochet.
I have a friend who shoots deer he loads his own ammunition, and he was saying he’s had to push the bullet faster, because the bullet is not expanding, and it’s passing right the way through and carrying on
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9 hours ago, Windswept said:
Have you tried any? I tried a box at the range and I would never use it on live quarry as it was so inaccurate. Something like a 5" group at 35m bench rest. Other people I know have found similar. It was also supersonic so much noisier than subs.
I would genuinely be interested to hear a recommendation.
No, haven’t managed to get hold of any to try yet, i’d like to get hold of some to try
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18 hours ago, Longbower said:
There are lots of non lead options in airgun pellets that shoot very well. It could be an option to hang on to your .22RF until more
lead free ammo becomes available .
Hi airgun is not really an option for me. I don’t think as these rabbits are in massive cherry orchard, I need something that can stretch of a fair distance up the row
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19 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:
What were they paying you?
Stick them on giving up the game
on Facebook, easily get them gone.
Only a pound a rabbit, but it gives you some money back for ammunition or fuel. That’s a good idea. I never thought.
19 hours ago, holloway said:Can you not get one of your local shops to order some non toxic in ? You may be surprised by how good they are .move with the times .
Exactly what I thought, but he reckons I can’t get hold of any at the moment
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I’ve found load data for 243 95 grain Hornaday SST with vit n 165
Hornady, 9th addition, Loading manual
hope this helps
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1 minute ago, Scully said:
Then cut the heads off ( because you can store more if they’re headless ) and tell them they’ve been shot with non-toxic. 🤷♂️
Yes, I suppose I could do, but I’ve been supplying these for years and since I’ve already asked the question about taking the heads off,
it might seem a bit suspicious, if all the rabbits turn up headless. Plus the fact I don’t like lying
.22lr is now obsolete for me
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Posted · Edited by silver fox 1
Hi, I think it’s definitely political, more like we’re doing our bit for the environment