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If my certificate comes through before this goes I will be interested
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53 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:
They can be kept and handled up to and during tours so I'm sure they can be kept afterwards in the right conditions, it's just going to cost money.
You can't have your cake and eat it, you said it was only a "small number" that needed euthanizing so it would be a small numer that would need looking after in special conditions if they really can' be rehabed, a small price to pay for the service these animals will have given!
Can’t argue with the logic used here. It’s all very valid.
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3 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:
And now we come to the real point, money, no people shouldn't be put at risk, as you've said yourself, "the small number" that can't be rehomed should be looked after by the army on return not euthanized and no, that shouldn't mean less body armour, troops, training ammo or aircraft carriers, the services these dogs will have given they deserve more than a death sentence for their loyalty, if that really can't be done, then they shouldn't be used.
Of course it has a financial element, there always will be.
I don’t disagree that animals who have served should have a decent retirement.
The fine detail isn’t know, if these dogs are posing such a risk professional dog handlers cannot handle them without the risk of being mauled, then euthanasia has to be considered.
10 minutes ago, Luckyshot said:Why not keep these dogs on base in the uk, they could have an outside kennel and run. After all it’s the least they deserve. They can’t be that hard to handle or they wouldn’t be using them.
They aren’t being used that’s why they are at the Defence Animal Centre.
Animals change, you can’t account for what operations will do to them.
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32 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:
To mention kids is a cop out in my opinion, they wouldn't have contact with children if the army looked after them after service would they! But we're going in circles now, I've made my point so will leave it there.
If professional dog handlers struggle to manage these dogs, then what hope is there?
The only point you have made is people should be put at risk to keep dangerous animals alive.
Where is the money coming from to Home these dogs for the next ten years? There isn’t enough to keep the MOD afloat now. Would you sacrifice body armour, numbers of troops, funding for training ammo? I certainly wouldn’t.
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Just now, 12gauge82 said:
I think you have misunderstood, most dogs owned by the MOD (not just the Army) are safely managed and re-roled upon return to the UK, most being re-homed after service.
However, the experience these dogs have can change their temperament and they can suffer irreversible mental trauma which makes them dangerous.
SF dogs are a peculiarity.
Without using dogs, human lives would be lost, and that’s less acceptable than euthanising a small number of animals each year.
The reporting by the media doesn’t give the full picture. I am sure The Defence Animal Centre would welcome suggestions, but what they won’t do is risk one of these dogs killing a child because of sentiment.
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I don’t know what you can do with a dangerous dog and still give it some quality of life without endangering people. It would end up isolated.
Truth is a dogs life is less important than a human, that’s why they are used to clear IEDs.
We have to be realistic about it, I don’t support euthanasing of any animal unless it’s necessary.
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7 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:
Fair point, I feel after what these dogs have been used for and the fearless loyalty some will have shown their handlers in action that they deserve more than euthanasia, they could have a program for them when they come back, if not I personally don't think it right they use them in the first place.
I think it’s worth knowing that most military dogs are re-homed, they are only put to sleep when they have significant medical issues or because of temperament or experience (IE Afghan) they are to dangerous to re-Home.
One of these dogs is an ex SF dog, it trains to kill men, you can’t put that animal in a domestic setting
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12 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:
Why?
Because the dogs in question are not being re-homed due to their temperament and the fact the dog handlers can’t control them without being bitten.
By their nature and training they are dangerous.
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5 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:
Pretty much, anything you shoot at the club, you can apply for. Not sure about your area but my FEO asked for our club rifle secretary, to confirm my saftey and experience with centre fire rifles, but once that was done, everything I asked for was granted.
Im guessing years of military firearms training and deployments will count for nothing in the scheme of things, but I will soon see.
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5 minutes ago, Scully said:
Things may have changed since I shot on a range, but if target shooting is your ‘good reason’ then can you not ask for them all?
That is my good reason until I can find some land.
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Totally misleading news article.
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A common question, but I have my FEO interview in a couple of days after 10 months of waiting.
So what calibers to ask for ?
Originally I asked for the following because the range could only handle these calibers:
3 x .22LR
1 x .17 HMR
Now the range has been upgraded and I am thinking:
1 x .22LR - Bolt Action
1 x .22LR - Semi
1 x .17HMR or .22 Hornet
1 x .223 (Any other suggestions? .243 or 6.5 has been suggested)
Moderators all round
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Your Firearms Licence is sufficient for this, Scotland accept an English licence.
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If my certificate had come through I would have had this
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I'm in Lincolnshire so any offers for the area I would be happy to come along
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A pal of mine had something similar. Armed police abused him and spat on him, he produced proof that the guns he had had gone a month prior... she got nothing for it either -.-
Spat on by police for no reason. I find this hard to believe
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There are a number of variables.Hi guys. Does anyone have any legal experience of this sort of thing happening?
To cut a long story short a friend and neighbour of mine is going through a messy split with his wife. She's gone right off the rails, accusing him of all sorts including rape (she came home drunk and woke him up for sex, then can't remember it. She only reported it when they split and started discussing custody of the kids) and abusing the kids (he disciplines them, unlike her). All charges were dropped before they even got to court.
So, the police turned up and before speaking to him decided she was a high risk case. Once interviewed this obviously changed as he was able to provide evidence of how angry his wife was the last time he turned her down because she was too drunk - social media messages and texts have been a lifesaver! They took his air rifle but he's just been told that they destroyed it before the end of his case.
He's a bit miffed but is more worried about his kids for now. I think they overstepped the mark. It was a really good condition vintage rifle that had hardly been used. And it had sentimental value. Where does he stand? I think the whole situation stinks personally.
Was he arrested ?
Did he receive/accept a caution?
Was the rifle used in any crime?
What where the reasons for seizure by the police?
Does your friend have a mental health history?
In relation to the rape allegation:
What you have described your friend do, is rape in the eyes of the law. But very difficult to prove and rarely gets to court without other offences
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That's a bit strong , minnibbb had a new person start work with he was in the forces from 17 to 35 we got on well with each other,dident tell him I shot clays tilla year later ,then he came out with me a few times got the bug ,applied for his sgc ,all going well ,then a knock on the door ,the feo turned up , told him that he might prosecuted for giving false information that he had no Criminal record ,it turned out that when he was 17 got In to a fight and they both went through a shop window charges for the fight was dropped but breaking the shop window they both went to court got a fine he had to go in front of his commanding officer ,he for got this the feo took this in consideration he was very lucky got his licence so please don't judge everybody Don't you know poachers are the best game keepers
He forgot it, or more likely, most squaddies think because it was dealt with by the military that's where it stays. This isn't the case, crime in the military is subject to the same reporting and input on PNC etc, a summary hearing by a CO is the same as a magistrates appearance.
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Went to work Thursday morning last week and got home around early hours of Saturday morning. Covered around 600 miles and managed 2 hrs sleep.
I was a broken man, not because of the hours, but because of the buffoons I had to deal with. -
"This final amended directive means that .22 rimfire rifles used for pest control in the UK will not be caught up in new restrictions"
What about those of us who use semi-auto 22lr for target or practical shooting?
Reading the press release it appears that they have just left .22 alone. So target shooting should be fine with semi-auto's
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Abandoned vehicles are not a police issue unless they are blocking a highway or causing a danger. As said its a council issue.
I have a full list of Police Force numbers which helps if you want to avoid the horrendous 101 system. (if anyone wants it)
Doesn't always work, but 1 tip when using 101 is to keep hitting * or hash and it will put you through to the control room.
https://crimestoppers-uk.org/give-information/give-information-online/ Is a very good place to report crime, mainly because its anonymous and cannot by law be compelled to relate your ID and also because its an independent third party the police are forced to act for fear of accurate reporting.
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That is why I suggested reporting it to the Police. They should do that when it is reported to them, if they don't they're a joke (but I wouldn't be surprised).
As for the mobile phone tracker idea, 1) is that even legal ? 2) like I said earlier, that is just going way too far out of your way to end up getting someone else into trouble.
Personally I'd report it very seriously and stay away from that entire lot and only bother with the mother.
As a non police employee you can use trackers or other surveillance without the need for authority under RIPA. If you are tracking your own vehicle or have permission from the owner then you would be lawful, however you may sail close to the stalking definition, unless its for a lawful purpose.
In truth if you used a tacker (such as 'find my iPhone') and you passed it to the police its unlikely stalking or anything similar would be even considered, and if you don't offer up the info regarding the tracker then most Police Officers really won't care, they will be happy to lock up Mr Wayward.
Drivers under the influence of drink or Drug kill more people than guns in the UK, its absolutely worth reporting, its not themselves they kill, its kids and old people who cannot get out of their way.
Also remember (and the Commissioner of the Met Police advocates this) ANYONE as a citizen of the UK has a power to arrest if its not practicable for a constable to do so. If you feel lives are in danger and you are able to do so, you should consider this (cautiously I may add). This will not be a popular opinion with many police officers because we have a culture in the UK of only the Police being allowed to act.
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Realistically all you can do is report it, if he is under the influence of drugs and takes the car then used 999 not 101, as there is a real chance that his actions could cost lives.
Should someone permit an unlicensed, uninsured person under the influence of drink or drugs to use their vehicle then that will mean both commit an offence.The Police are so busy and so short staffed in some areas they simply cannot respond. I would suggest that you report it to the police direct but additionally you report it via Crime stoppers (link below).
https://crimestoppers-uk.org/give-information/give-information-online/
Using crime stoppers you can give what ever info you wish entirely anonymous, (protected by the court) this means any embellishment cannot be attributed to you.
This may seem an odd thing to say but if you report external to the police its much harder for them to ignore as records are kept as to when they were informed.
Possession of drugs as you described is an offence, if you know he has them in a property then report that, if you believe he supplies them IE gives them to other people or even offers to then that is an offence. Its unlikely the police will ignore a person reported for supplying drugs. If the individual has weapons (ny type, homemade or otherwise) around the house I would add that to your list when reporting direct or via crime stoppers.
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http://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2015/01/Firearms-Safety-leaflet-A4-v7.pdf
Funnily the BASC and NCA Firearms safety advice makes no mention of removing bolts etc.
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Posted · Edited by Delboysparky
If Lloyd hasn’t taken it I will have it, may have to ask you to hold it for a bit as I am away with work. Hopefully the FAC comes through this week.
Looking for a cheap BRNO Mod 2 if you come across one. Preferably threaded.