Sidelock133

The only lines that appear when I google those Clubs, refer to American clubs. I see nothing which is UK based.

Do you, or does anyone know if there is a UK based Collectors Club for Ordnance? I've searched the internet but the only group that I can find is in the US. Judging by the buying interest at auction, there's certainly a growing interest.

There's a certain arrogance attached to some aspects of the auction business, which I find surprising. In business, I treat my clients with respect. I collect cartridges and sometimes that leads me in to the near exotic, but few would be considered as usable. As collectors pieces, they need to be as original issue, and whilst re-loads may be of interest to some, for me originality is the key. Some of the relatively modern calibers and cartridges are of interest; the .700 Nitros and some of the In House rounds - the Westley Richards Raffiky rounds, for instance. One of my pride and joys is a round of original Kynoch issue a .577/600 Rewa.

I accept that my opening post wasn't too clear; the cartridges concerned would be considered as collectable - big bore stuff which would probably be 60-70 years old - plus. The question of selling re-loads on the open market though, remains. If a batch of re-loaded modern ammo was sold without warning, as it seems it's legal to do, the consequences for haphazard home-loads and with dangerously high breach pressures - as risky from a sub-light load as from an overload, must be obvious. …. an interesting observation. The particular cartridges in question also appear at other auctions, they fall in to a recognisable pattern and I'm all but certain that they come from a commercial outlet.

I've just had a 'phone call ~ the auction house will collect the goods from me. 😉

I've just spoken with someone who represents the auction house concerned and he advised me that it was a case of Caveat Emptor ~ I in turn advised him that he was skating on very thin ice. …….. we'll see what comes next! 😉

I have, only to be told ~ we rely upon people like you to tell us where we may be wrong. …….. but that isn't or shouldn't be the point. Most, and I suspect the Law, would argue that it's the duty of the Trader to familiarise themselves with the topic in hand. If ALL factory loaded ammunition has to pass stringent CIP/SAAMI testing before a licence to issue is granted, do these terms also apply to non-standard ammo?

On line, attendance wasn't permitted ~ and neither was prior inspection.

I have recently and unwittingly bought some rifle ammo at auction which has certainly been hand/re-loaded. Now we should ALL see the sense which would surround the practise of buying/selling any rifle ammo which may not OR doesn't conform toe CIP/SAAmi Regs. ~ the simple fact is that it makes no sense and we all accept that. Let us imagine a live primer being inserted in to the case head, any or even no propellent inserted, the cartridge goes off and by the pressure of the primer alone, the bullet leaves the case but stays in the barrel. My argument here is that if C/F ammo doesn't conform to the regulations which were a condition of the original sale, can anyone head me towards clear and unequivocal stated Law which clearly states 'It is a criminal offence if ……..'? Under the Sale of Goods Act, the goods are clearly not as described, but my question surrounds that of legality. I have been in touch with the GTA and they seem rather unsure. Getting through to The London Proof House is all but impossible …….. I'm hoping that there will be someone on here who can bring a degree of clarity to the question.

Never buy a car or a gun or a wife - unseen. The Estimated Cost is, generally, the reserve, or the minimum which the vendor, will accept.

There's no doubt that there are many who perhaps may have considered alternative careers. There are also those who are (or were) capable of exceptional work - I had one example here, and then who, on the very next day can produce work which has the gun fit for the scrap bin - including the additional and previous barrel costs.

I had a discussion with my local Licence Issuing Authority (Police) and this was how it went; Them - "So how are you going to get your gun back from the person who's carried out the repairs"? Me - A little bemused - "by the same carrier that it left here - Parcel Force". Them - "It can only be returned to you via a Face-to-Face contact - your nearest RFD". Me - "I'm sorry, but that only applies to the purchase of new firearms - the gun is already on my S/G Cert, which the RFD carrying out the repairs, has seen and of which, he has a copy. An entry on to a FAC or a S/G Cert. must be done F2F". Them - "You are wrong". Me - "I'm not wrong. The repairer (an RFD) arranged for a timed collection - and being in possession of my S/G Cert. he was able to return it to me, by the same carrier". Them - "I'll have to check on that one" - - that was four months ago, not a word since.

That, I'd suggest, will echo the thoughts of many.

Gunman - an excellent post and correct on every point.

I found that a week or so back - W&C Scott were mentioned, and also a suggested 'Model' name, and now I'm damned if I can find it! Single Triggers can be tricky - every gun that I have is so fitted, but few who made guns then - or now for that matter, want to offer a warranty. They can be prone to malfunction, very often because of the user, and even the cartridges used.