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Obviously with air-rifles; the PCP types are going to cost more generally due to their air-based system of propulsion.
No to say all springers are cheap though; you get what you pay for. A finely checkered Weihrauch 95S with nicely treated hardwood, rekord 2-stage trigger and good quality barrel is going to cost more than a Cometa type basic air-rifle.
Having owned both a cheap Cometa and a Wiehrauch; I can tell the difference clearly. The construct and finish of the wood is far superior on the Weihrauch, it is far more accurate, the mechanism is smoother and does not have the cheap nasty "twang" you get from a cheap mainspring.
Obviously like any market you will get some overpriced guns here and there but generally you get what you pay for.
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Bedroom is a good choice as, it is not an area of the home casual visitors (ie strangers) would normally see.
You need to secure it a solid outer wall preferably in a corner to obstruct attack. Any skirting board will need to be removed so the cabinet is flush with the wall. Or you could mount it above the skirting board if the cabinet is not too heavy.
Wall thickness is not so much important as the solidity of the wall. If you have solid brick then it is not much of a problem. If you have a breeze-block type cavity with an outer brick skin; you either have to go all the way through the brick or use resin studs/bolts and resin to create a secure fixing for the studs to hold onto.
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Screwfix sell ammunition safes ? Are they police approved ? Will they need to have 2 lockes like a gin cabinet ?
Gin cabinet? Well perhaps friends of the late Queen Mother can advise on this aspect of Security.
The security requirements for s1 ammunition storage are very vague; "a locked metal container" does not give the police much to go on. Any basic (2mm steel, internal hinges and solid bolt) safe you get from hardware stores; is more than adequate providing it is securely anchored properly. The best thing you can do it put the proposal to the FEO and see what he says.
There is no requirement for "two locks" on either a gun cabinet or an ammo cabinet. It is all dependent on cabinet height etc as to whether it would meet the requirements of BS7558/92 with regards to attack resistance. Standard sized cabinets (as opposed to break-down size) require at least two evenly spaced locking bolts in order to resist pry attacks to the standard set by BS7558/92.
Some cabinets like mine; have only one double-bitted vault lock with multiple locking bolts. It tends to come as standard with the larger capacity cabinets.
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12 weeks in west mercia 2 years ago and my girlfriend has just yesterday sent her application off her first ever Shotgun Cert........... so will keep you posted on that !
One of West Mercia's main problems is they cover such a large area for licensing; I would say they are about in the middle for performance by what members of my family have told me. Staffordshire will take about 3 months to even look at a SGC application; 4-5 months overall to do visits and conclude the paperwork.
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drugs = ILLEGAL
i know there are different levels of breaking the law, but show me someone who does not know that drugs are illegal. we all know the law.
Absolutely right; the the declassification of cannabis to class c means: That getting caught with a small amount for personal use will almost certainly mean a automatic offer a caution as opposed to being charged. Though repeat offenders will not experience such leniency. Broadly speaking the police will turn a blind eye to the consumption of class c drugs within a persons home. Though do it in public and you will be arrested an charged.
Obviously if you also happen to be a FAC/SGC holder or a prospective one; then this will have serious effect on your ability to get a cert. Illegal drug use comes under "intemperate habits" type clause. Meaning the police cannot be satisfied you judgment and character is to an acceptable standard to be able to own firearms.
The personal point I was making though is that people like me on legitimately prescribed medications which; incidentally happen to be controlled substances (nowhere near the level or risk occupied by recreational drugs) : Shouldn't get badly treated by FEO's as a result. Especially when if they had bothered to get a medical opinion; they would have found it made no difference on the persons judgment or behavior. I do not get "high" off my pain-killers (it is physically impossible for me to do so anyway.) I just get a level of pain-relief from them. The sleeping pills help me sleep when insomnia is bad. Otherwise the meds I am on don't affect me in any other way.
So I am rather perturbed how lightly this illegal skunk "dealer" has got off so lightly when, I have broken no laws nor abused drugs but get the third degree from the FEO's as a result. Still maybe in West Mercia they will be more understanding than Staffs.
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I think you might be talking about a "co-terminus" certificate which isn't any different to an individual SGC and FAC except that they both expire at the same time and you actually pay LESS than you would if you got them separately.
This doesn't give you the right to share guns, you'd still have to square that off with the FLO. In theory if both people both have SGC's, and both people have FAC's with slots for ALL the weapons then this can fly.
There isn't a special certificate which allows you to share weapons.
That's it exactly, it's that simple, possession of a SGC does not allow you access to a firearm and possession of a FAC does not allow you access to a shotgun. The only soloution is two cabinets or both of you to have a SGC and FAC.
What a novel statement in the original post; "somehow get round the law", it's called breaking it, not getting round it!
The only possibility that I can see that may be acceptable, is if each gun has an individual securing wire inside the cabinet, you both have keys to the cabinet, but only keys to your own gun locks, but whether this would be acceptable will depend upon your police force and your FEO, have a chat with him.
.Sharing a cabinet with shotguns is no problem; just get your SGC and have his shotguns put onto your cert. It is fairly simple and the police are fairly familiar to this sort of situ in families with multiple SGC holders.
For a firearm in the same cabinet; you would need to apply coterminous so you could get a SGC to put your fathers guns on at a cost of £10! Then for the FAC part of the application; you would have to justify that the firearm was "chained" or otherwise secured to the inside of the cabinet. Preventing it's removal other than by you as the sole key holder; your dad must not have the padlock key to unlock and remove the firearm.
This is something that has been approved before but needs careful handling at application with the FEO. To increase your chances of acceptance; since you will have to get a secured ammo safe for your rifle ammo: You could agree to store the rifle-bolt in the ammo safe. Which again would be locked either by a key or code only possessed by you and not your father.
It might just turn the FEO's opinion towards an acceptance. In this situation I would seek detailed advice from the BASC firearms dept first. They are experienced in handling cases like this and will tell you what you need to do on the form and tell the FEO in order to hopefully satisfy him that the arrangement is secure.
.Or there is the "easy-peasy option" of buying another cabinet with ammo compartment for your use only. You have sole access and store your firearms and ammo in there. But go for a coterminous cert as that means your get a SGC out of it for £10 to put your father's guns on. Meaning you can access his cabinet he cannot access yours. This does not disbar you father in future seeking a FAC of his own; as long as he has the land permission etc for "good reason" then he can hopefully get the right calibre slots on his FAC that you can put your rifle/s on his ticket! Giving him the permission to access your cabinet too. It is a long-winded approach but since you need a secure ammo safe/box anyway for the FAC; it might benefit in the long run if you start acquiring more slots for different calibre firearms. Scoped firearms are a pain to store in anything other than an extra-deep cabinet anyway.
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I dont think people should have any involvement with drug's or any thing iliegal but i also think if your the sort who thinks people should be shot for miner offences you have no right with fire arms it really sickens me how sex offenders are rarely prossecuted tho now theose are THE REAL scumbags, but back to the drugs thing you have no right to atack people who use drugs if you your self drink or smoke as these are also drugs and not all that long ago were a crime and are very dangerus to ones self and others but we pay alot of tax on them and are goverment gets righer of them so its ok???
is any one aware of the rules on getting an fac if you have no criminal convictions but have in the past used drugs as my mate has been into shooting sports for a few years but has never gone in for his fac as he use to use heroin but he did work for his drugs the only crime he's ever commited is buying them but he thinks he;ll get refused if he puts in for his fac i think it'd be ok as he's a really good bloke just been a silly in the past and i new him when he was on drugs and it was unnoticeable as he's always looked healthy and clean and the last thing any one who knows him would call him is a smak head....
But what do you all think?? on him goin in for his fac i mean?
I am not aware of alcohol ever being illegal to consume in Britain. Perhaps you are thinking of the American prohibition period? Neither was tobacco; it has been imported since Elizabethan times. King James didn't like people smoking tobacco very much but he never banned it.
Anyone who uses recreational drugs illegally has to accept the legal consequences whether the agree with the laws or not. Personally I think super-grade skunk is a real problem at the moment; generating drug-related psychosis in a significant number of people.
Obviously the guy will have to declare his previous heroin problem on the FAC form; obviously the police will want to get his doctors records regarding it. It is very difficult to say as to whether the police will grant a cert or not given it was a class a drug that was illegally taken.
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Accepting a caution is an admission of guilt in law. So if the guys wife had nothing to do with it then she should have refused the caution. Even if it meant going to court as a result.
Drugs and FAC (though you mention shotguns so shouldn't it read "Drug's and SGC"?) do not mix. A quoted appeal case in the police firearms licensing guidance from the home office is rather relevant to this:
Dabek v Chief Constable of Devon andCornwall (1991), where the court ruled that
a woman of good character should not
possess a gun where her husband had two
ancient drug convictions but still associated
with drug users
Likely he will not get through his renewal intact to say the least. I can personally attest how strong the police opinion is on this: They really treated me like **** over the fact that I am legitimately prescribed some controlled drugs. Namely moderate-strength opioids for pain relief and some sleeping pill that were used for when my insomnia is really bad.
I have fully cleared the DVLA medical requirements and hold an unrestricted licence; My Doctors have said there is not reason why I shouldn't drive if I feel ok to do so. Yet the police seemed to think that I was at risk of being drowsy and therefore unsafe to handle firearms as a result of the medication. They treated it like it was the same as consuming alcohol; that there was no way I could self assess my ability at a given point in time. There justification for this was that the side effects said "may cause drowsiness." - Which in their mind meant it happened to everyone all the time.
They couldn't accept that not all people react the same to meds and that the body gets used to the drug if used long term, therefore meaning no drowsiness to speak of in most cases. I personally have never experienced any drowsiness at all from taking the pain-killers. Furthermore they had sought no medical opinion from any professional regarding this; instead using the supreme reliability of an internet print-off from an illegal online pharmacy based on an entirely different opioid. I do not appreciate being chastised by anyone over my legitimate medical treatment without any factual basis; least not of all the Police.
Still going back to the thread topic, I am highly surprised someone who was caught with 9oz of Cannabis and equipment to suggest dealing was allowed to keep his guns and cert. It's obviously one rule for some and another for the rest of us it seems!
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No he cannot;
You can only glean a basic location based on IP address; which would be the location of your ISP's server-bank anyway. You cannot trace an address back any further than this.
Only your ISP knows who had a certain IP address assigned at a particular time; they will not give that information out as it would be highly illegal to do so under the Data Protection Act. Only the police can get such information when investigating a crime etc. Even with the R.I.P. Act in place; they still need a warrant to get the subscriber records associated with an IP address.
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Legally you can own as many shotguns as you can securely accommodate. So as long as you can get the cabinet door shut and locked then it is fine. However I would make sure that you can accommodate the extra gun without causing scratching or bashing from squashing them altogether.
While it is not in the firearms law; the Police have the power to determine what they interpret from the act as being "reasonably secure." Hence why after acquiring a certain number of shotguns; they might impose a condition that you have an alarm fitted in your house etc. You do not have to ring them up and check with them before acquiring the shotgun; the other person just enters it onto your cert and you send off written notification within 7 days by recorded delivery or fax to the firearms licensing dept. Some may claim to accept notifications by email but; this has no legal standing.
You do not have to use the forces own notification form (if they even produce one as some do not) technically a letter with the right details included would suffice. To make matters easier for us; the Sportsman's Association has produced a generic form that can be used anywhere regardless of which police force covers it: http://www.sagbni.co.uk/downloads/Notifica...sfer_Letter.rtf
If the FEO noted you had a certain sized cabinet; then this might trigger an inquiry phone call if you exceed it's capacity. Though for shotguns they would likely only do this if you acquired more than one over the capacity limit. They know that the listed capacity of a particular cabinet is subject to some leeway.
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Always picked up carts when I went shooting,
On clay stands where I would shoot more than a couple; I would usually wait till the end of the round to bin any that had missed the bin. Always tidied up for the next person though. Once lost a couple in a nettle-bush; the guys told me not to worry as they were more concerned with the "corporate" types leaving spent carts on the gravel areas than a couple of lost ones from a guy who always picked up.
Nevertheless I borrowed one of their telescopic rods with a magnet on from the hut; and fished them out of the nettles anyway. It is just common decency, whether on a paid range/shoot or pest control for a farmer: We have been given the privilege of coming onto private land to do the sport we so much enjoy, it is only fair we do our best to clean up after ourselves. Of course it is not the shooters on this forum who need telling that.
Some police forces firearms officers seem to avoid "policing their brass" when using civilian ranges. Leading to the comments to the effect it was like "wading through" spent 9mm casings after they had finished. Then again some of the members were not happy with the gun-safety discipline of some of these officers either. I do not mean this as a disrespect to police firearms officers in general. They do a very good job with professionalism on the whole; there a just a few that need to buck their ideas up given the position of responsibility they are in. As much as there is always a tiny minority in every walk of life that are less considerate than the whole; I do not think a civilian shooter would find himself very welcome at a range the next time if he kept leaving a mess for others to clean up.
Speaking of which; is there an easy way to recycle old brass that is no good for further reloading? Or do you have to go to the local tip to recycle it? I think a "brass bin" would be a good idea for a range, no doubt its already been done though.
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Brattonsound make good cabinets!
I got their 6/7 with 5 point locking. Very solid. In fact more solid than the wall its bolted too
Was that the extra-deep version? If so it is the same as mine. I got it £140 game fair price as; it was a b-grade example. A few scratches and a single dink on the powder coating mostly round the back. It got worse dents from us transporting it back in a low suspension car over speed bumps!
Still looks great though and I use it to secure various valuable bits as well. At 54kgs it would be hard to move, once secured to the wall it would be a waste of time even to try.
I honestly think with the 5-point vault locking; that a properly secured cabinet could thwart all but well equipped thieves. In the time before the police turn up anyway. There is always a chance that you may fall victim to gun-theft but; a good cabinet makes it much more difficult.
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They are very rugged guns, will cycle virtually anything put through it (providing it's proofed) and very affordable. You can do all the maintenance work on something like a Mossberg 500 yourself if you are confident enough. They are quite simple mechanically. You will have to expect to pay more for a pump in the UK to cover the costs of a lesser market and magazine crimping work.
They make a very good rough field gun especially for ground vermin. With the right FAC slots; you can get a slug barrel and a unrestricted mag capacity. This is providing you can satisfy the good reason.
"Practical" shooting is a very popular target sport now thanks to the UKPSA. So full membership of a UKPSA affiliated club would be good reason, slugs can only be used on a small number of ranges though.
"High capacity magazine shotguns" (Section 1) also have a place in the field if you can satisfy the FEO there is a serious vermin infestation on land you have permission for. I don't know whether they would give someone one for field use if they had not held and used any s2 shotguns on a SGC previously.
Meanwhile for those with SGC's only: A 3-shot (2+1) version is better than nothing. Personally my first shotgun would be a semi but that is for recoil reasons and the fact that I'll mostly be shooting clays. But you never know what shooting opportunities the future will hold so I keep an open mind...
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At the end of the day it's either manufactured to BS7558 (1992) standard or higher if it is to be accepted. Cabinets manufactured before the standard came in are probably alright as long as the FEO is happy it meets that standard.
You may pay more for a Brattonsound but, you are buying a cabinet from a British firm who have manufactured it from scratch in Britain. Better quality welds, assurance that it meets or exceeds the BS7558 and 3 year (1yr on-site) warranty come as standard. They also have a helpline and can provide advice on fitting and extra keys etc.
If you ever lost all your cabinet keys for an import, a master locksmith may be able to get the cabinet open for you but: It may be quite difficult to get new key blanks or a replacement lock if the keys are suspected stolen. I choose a Brattonsound myself and I am very happy with it; more so I am sure when I have a SGC and want to ensure my shotguns are secure.
If you want a good price on a cabinet: I can recommend Paul Hart (The Pigeon Shooter)
I should also mention that the FEO's and licensing managers I have spoken to, seem to prefer the Brattonsound brand over others.
Best Regards,
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Anti's within Shrewsbury and Atcham Borough Council have rubber-stamped this into bylaw without the first incling of how a hunt operates: The level of control the huntsman has on the hounds must be beyond their comprehension Can you imagine how many walkers with leads it would take to "escort" the hounds through public places? Amongst mounted riders it would clearly be chaos.
http://www.shropshirestar.com/2008/02/hunt...ust-have-leads/
Of course the usual anti's (many from out of county) have been quick to cheer the order; calling all the usual insults on the hunt. It also suprises me how anti-horse and rider some of these people are. Some called to force the hunt to clean up any horse dung dropped on the public road!??
...Sorry; isn't that what we pay council tax into the highways budget for? If I remember correctly the council is still obliged to clean up the highway; with riders having as much right to use if not priority with regards to public roads?
Clearly not in council-wonderland it seems.
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All I can advise is to get medical treatment asap. See your GP if it's that bad they he should be getting u to see a specialist ASAP. Tell your GP how bad the pain is and say you really like something to ease it.
It's no fun suffering in silence, the sooner you get a proper treatment regime the better. Best to stop this gout worsening now as it would be a great shame if it kept you out of the field for a prolonged period of time.
I saw what gout (among other things) did to my grandfather because he simply didn't actively pursue medical treatment. He ended up horribly crippled because he just tried t grit his teeth and carry on until it was really too late. I'm sure your GP is a good doc but you have to be the one actively communicating with these people if you want to get the right treatment. If it spreads or gets any worse then you really need to make an appointment or goto an emergency surgery asap.
Best Wishes,
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thank you all for your imput i have been docs and been prescribed naproxen 500mg tablets been taking three a day now for over a week and nearly cleared up had a blood test just waiting for test results to see how mutch uric acid im producing then take it from there. also my dad down with it at mo got it in his right knee thanks dad.
he can blame his dad.havn't had a drink for nearly two weeks and watching what i eat any way thanks again now im better i can go airgunning saturday
I'm glad to hear it's getting better for you, good to hear you will be air gunning tomorrow: Any longer and I fear the bunnies will be thinking they can get away with murder.
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Care in the community only works well if it's given to the right people:
Many people we were having locked-away in huge asylums 25years ago; can now live an almost normal life thanks to advances in drug treatments avaliable. With visiting support/support groups from Community psychiatric nurses and charities like MIND; a vast majority can function in normal society and even return to employment. It's important to differentiate between moderate mental illness which can include; Long-term depression, bi-polar disorder and yes even some forms of Schizophrenia.
In fact people with Schizophrenia are 5 times more likely to be the victims of aggression and violence than to commit it themselves. The problem lies that the moronic general public are unable to differentiate between moderate mental illness that is quite well controlled by medication as opposed to serious mental illness; where very strong drugs only provide limited control over symptoms and those people are the ones who were screwed by care in the community.
The proportion of schizophrenics who present a violent danger to themselves or others are usually suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and this is one of the less common subtypes. I quite agree that these sort of people are best in an inpatient environment unless there is evidence that they are getting better; something which is not very common amongst this subset anyway. The instant-access support available in an inpatient environment is what they really need; hopefully some of them might progress under medication to be able to go onto halfway-houses which are sort of residential units providing semi-independent living with the support on site. Oh wait; I forgot the Government closed em down. Whoops.
The other problem is the care-in-the-community provision was never really thought out. People were discharged into appalling inner city high-rise council estates full of yobs, criminals and drug addicts. Making it very easy for a person to go back into decline. What they really needed was housing in semi-rural "quiet" areas; in small communities where they could live in relative peace. With visiting support and a good GP the lucky few who got housed like this would; live a normal life not being a risk to anybody. Likely taking up unskilled work but work all the same, even becoming socially active in their community.
In the 70's and early 80's: Many ex-hospital patients ended up living in local villages near to the hospitals they were at. They could go to support sessions at the outpatient clinic and live peacefully in the quiet rural idyll's. Many still live in places like that now; though a fair few are now OAP's of course. Few ever needed to be re-admitted as inpatients, the only difference now is the hospitals no longer exist. Forcing them to travel a long way for support.
It is important to understand that most patients in a psychiatric-hospital are there informally by their own consent as; they know that it is the best place for them to get treatment quickly before their illness worsens. Most are stablised on modern drugs; knowing what they were like before treatment scares most patients which means they continue to take their meds compliantly on their own. There are thousands of people with mental illness on regular treatment living in the community without any problems. You probably wouldn't know they even had a problem.
Obviously a lesser number of patients have to be detained under the mental health act for their own safety. This detention is periodically reviewed and patients can appeal to an independent tribunal in line with Habeas Corpus and the right to due process. Again most of these patients will be stablised after a period of treatment and will often consent to remain informally as they do not want to go back to the way they were now they are of clear mind. Some will be eventually ready to be discharged with outpatient support; however another problem is that this is sporadically provided leading to decline and re-admission where it does not exist. This needs to be fixed.
Obviously there are a number of patients who need to stay permanently in psychiatric-hospitals due to treatment-resistant severe mental illness. The problem is mental health provision has become a crisis-stage only "patch-up and discharge" due to lack of funding and service provision. So they tank severely ill patients on drugs so they can't even think straight but then discharge them as they are technically "no longer a danger to themselves or others." Once they are out they quickly revert back as they will likely think they don't need the drugs and the appalling housing and social welfare conditions perpetuate this.
The loss of halfway-house type NHS psychiatric units plus the lack of inpatient facilities in general are responsible for this man being the way he is. He should be in an inpatient unit whether by force or not. Likely if he got the right treatment he might later be thankful for it and want to stay-on. But the common-sense option isn't available so I fear the authorities will let it get to the point where a serious incident occurs first. Then 2 weeks later they will kick him out for it to start all over again.
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Where did you copy and paste that lot from
I didn't "copy and paste" it from anywhere; I wrote it myself off the hoof. I have extensive experience from my involvement in welfare rights advice that I have assisted with over the years. I saw plenty of situations where people with mental-health problems were able to live and function amongst the general populace without any concerns. Providing they got suitable support from groups like MIND, while continuing any medication regime then there was no problem.
Ironically one of the worst factors was the welfare provision element; was when the DWP decided to ignore the medical evidence of two consultants who had diagnosed this person with bi-polar disorder. He won his case within 5 minutes at the appeals tribunal based purely on the pre-hearing submission with reports from his docs. However since the tribunals service is chronically overstretched all the time; it took 6 months to get a hearing. This forced him into considerable debt to meet his essential outgoings as he was not receiving the benefit he should have been to meet them. This put a considerable toll on him mentally and it was only thanks to extensive work from support workers that he didn't end up back in hospital. After he won the tribunal he went back to being almost normal whilst on medication; to the best of my knowledge he never had any further problems. He just wasn't able to work, that was the only real limitation.
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It's an absolute farce; they are forcing shooters to break the law (serious offense too) to cover for their own incompetence to anticipate the backlog. Given they now have all your details on computer file in a standardized format (thanks to the waste of time "Gun registry.") They are just being totally lazy if they say they cannot issue a sect 7 permit.
What if something cropped up on medical or the PNC check gives a false positive? Sometimes people still show up as having criminal records on the PNC because the police put the conviction on in advance of the trial to save time. Think being tried for Assault after acting in self-defense and getting completely acquitted at trial due to bystander-witness evidence etc; then finding out at renewal you FAC/SGC has been declined as you apparently have a criminal record.
Not only would the police likely seize and destroy your guns without compensation; you would have to likely take the chief constable to a tribunal with the Information Commissioner to get the mistake removed. Yep thats right; the police can give you a false criminal record and wont fix it unless they are forced to by the commissioner. This can take up to a year to fix; then you got to re-apply for your FAC/SGC and hope they don't just automatically decline it again out of spite. Meaning having to take it to a very expensive and long winded appeal.
Obviously this is a worst case scenario but, without a temp permit if your renewal is messed up you may get your guns seized and have to fight very hard to get them back. Don't take their word for it that they will look the other way; get the BASC firearms dept onto them ASAP.
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All I can advise is to get medical treatment asap. See your GP if it's that bad they he should be getting u to see a specialist ASAP. Tell your GP how bad the pain is and say you really like something to ease it.
It's no fun suffering in silence, the sooner you get a proper treatment regime the better. Best to stop this gout worsening now as it would be a great shame if it kept you out of the field for a prolonged period of time.
I saw what gout (among other things) did to my grandfather because he simply didn't actively pursue medical treatment. He ended up horribly crippled because he just tried t grit his teeth and carry on until it was really too late. I'm sure your GP is a good doc but you have to be the one actively communicating with these people if you want to get the right treatment. If it spreads or gets any worse then you really need to make an appointment or goto an emergency surgery asap.
Best Wishes,
mr_colt.
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Care in the community only works well if it's given to the right people:
Many people we were having locked-away in huge asylums 25years ago; can now live an almost normal life thanks to advances in drug treatments avaliable. With visiting support/support groups from Community psychiatric nurses and charities like MIND; a vast majority can function in normal society and even return to employment. It's important to differentiate between moderate mental illness which can include; Long-term depression, bi-polar disorder and yes even some forms of Schizophrenia.
In fact people with Schizophrenia are 5 times more likely to be the victims of aggression and violence than to commit it themselves. The problem lies that the moronic general public are unable to differentiate between moderate mental illness that is quite well controlled by medication as opposed to serious mental illness; where very strong drugs only provide limited control over symptoms and those people are the ones who were screwed by care in the community.
The proportion of schizophrenics who present a violent danger to themselves or others are usually suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and this is one of the less common subtypes. I quite agree that these sort of people are best in an inpatient environment unless there is evidence that they are getting better; something which is not very common amongst this subset anyway. The instant-access support available in an inpatient environment is what they really need; hopefully some of them might progress under medication to be able to go onto halfway-houses which are sort of residential units providing semi-independent living with the support on site. Oh wait; I forgot the Government closed em down. Whoops.
The other problem is the care-in-the-community provision was never really thought out. People were discharged into appalling inner city high-rise council estates full of yobs, criminals and drug addicts. Making it very easy for a person to go back into decline. What they really needed was housing in semi-rural "quiet" areas; in small communities where they could live in relative peace. With visiting support and a good GP the lucky few who got housed like this would; live a normal life not being a risk to anybody. Likely taking up unskilled work but work all the same, even becoming socially active in their community.
In the 70's and early 80's: Many ex-hospital patients ended up living in local villages near to the hospitals they were at. They could go to support sessions at the outpatient clinic and live peacefully in the quiet rural idyll's. Many still live in places like that now; though a fair few are now OAP's of course. Few ever needed to be re-admitted as inpatients, the only difference now is the hospitals no longer exist. Forcing them to travel a long way for support.
It is important to understand that most patients in a psychiatric-hospital are there informally by their own consent as; they know that it is the best place for them to get treatment quickly before their illness worsens. Most are stablised on modern drugs; knowing what they were like before treatment scares most patients which means they continue to take their meds compliantly on their own. There are thousands of people with mental illness on regular treatment living in the community without any problems. You probably wouldn't know they even had a problem.
Obviously a lesser number of patients have to be detained under the mental health act for their own safety. This detention is periodically reviewed and patients can appeal to an independent tribunal in line with Habeas Corpus and the right to due process. Again most of these patients will be stablised after a period of treatment and will often consent to remain informally as they do not want to go back to the way they were now they are of clear mind. Some will be eventually ready to be discharged with outpatient support; however another problem is that this is sporadically provided leading to decline and re-admission where it does not exist. This needs to be fixed.
Obviously there are a number of patients who need to stay permanently in psychiatric-hospitals due to treatment-resistant severe mental illness. The problem is mental health provision has become a crisis-stage only "patch-up and discharge" due to lack of funding and service provision. So they tank severely ill patients on drugs so they can't even think straight but then discharge them as they are technically "no longer a danger to themselves or others." Once they are out they quickly revert back as they will likely think they don't need the drugs and the appalling housing and social welfare conditions perpetuate this.
The loss of halfway-house type NHS psychiatric units plus the lack of inpatient facilities in general are responsible for this man being the way he is. He should be in an inpatient unit whether by force or not. Likely if he got the right treatment he might later be thankful for it and want to stay-on. But the common-sense option isn't available so I fear the authorities will let it get to the point where a serious incident occurs first. Then 2 weeks later they will kick him out for it to start all over again.
mr_colt
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I'd love to be surprised by this but; I am not.
Staffordshire are about 4 forces up from the worst when it comes to delays. It was just under 5 months for a SGC initial grant last year.
mr_colt.
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I have used the Webley 810 black synthetic on clays with 28gm 70mm carts. It performed like a dream and was well built for a budget gun.
I think he put some bigger loads through his but; he was testing the camo model which is gas-operated I beleive. The walnut and black synthetic are recoil-operated instead.
Aside from Webley's mechanisms differing; going for camo is an aesthetic choice that you are going to have to decide with regards to your intended shooting. I'm not interested in wildfowling myself so camo wouldnt be my choice but, fowlers were buying the camo Webley's faster than some dealers could stock last year.
Though my advice should be treated with caution as I would quite happily target-shoot full-bore rifles in walnut over synthetic if I had the choice. Despite wanting a semi as a primary shotgun for when I start shooting again; I have always wanted a nice 12b SBS hammergun. Bit of a traditionalist methinks.
mr_colt.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/23/smoking_licence/
Seems the mad boffin wants us all to be registered if we want to smoke; via a permit that sounds as complex to apply for as a SGC.
Where do they get these people from? If lab are going to use these people as advisors then, why don't they get it over with an abolish democaracy whilst they are at it? They already want to use the ID cards to register how much alcohol people buy once they are compolsory. Whats going to be next???
mr_colt.
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ahh that numpty that was going to buy a break down cabnet and then keep his semi (shotgun) under his bed,which he blatently announced on a public forum.
Then frankly kicking him off the forum and erasing his post in this instance was required to protect the integrity of Pigeonwatch. The media constantly trawl the web to see if any licensed gun owners are flouting the rules or support "Castle Doctrine" etc.
They can then use it as spurious "proof" to their gun-ban supporting readers that the police are letting any old nutter own guns, and that "these gun owning people" are likely to flip at any moment.
Absolute load of rubbish as we all know but, being a discriminated-against minority: Means we have to have a watertight record to survive against the media-brainwashed sheep-like masses.
mr_colt.
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Sorry should have read "normally an outer wall." As long as the cabinet is "secured to the fabric of the building" it will hopefully pass inspection. So floor-based securing is another option you could use but it may not satisfy the FEO on it's own depending on type of floor and fixing.
You might be interested in reading the firearms security handbook for more information:
http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...k.pdf?version=1
mr_colt.