Pre-Lubed Wads

[Cake444]

Hello again,

 

Does anybody use Pre-Lubed Wads?

 

I have been reloading with DRY 1/2" Fibre Cushion Wadding and their very light, snug fit and soft. A huge cloud of wadding flakes shower down after I fire though and I wasn’t sure if this was presenting a problem.

 

On a 70mm PT I generally use a 1/8" Nitro Card, x2 DRY 1/2" Fibre Cushion wads, 1mm overshot wad (stop the shot embedding into the fibre Cushion) and then I seal with a 6 point crimp.

 

Over all the performance of the cartridge has been fine on the clay range, I just get a few looks when a cloud of fibre showers down and thought a denser lubed wad would hold together slightly better

 

I need some advice before a buy from - http://www.wadsincorporated.com/home/default.asp

Edited April 5, 2011 by Cake444

[sitsinhedges]

I just use standard Diana capped wads that all the shotgun reloaders sell. Nothing happens when you fire them.

[Jaguar Warrior]

My initial thought was that I wouldn't be too worried about the fibre wads exploding as it would make them disperse better. Then I'm thinking about my moderator on the 'Hushberg'.

 

I can see at least three ways in which they might explode. The first is if they get SO compressed at the time of peak pressure that they microfragment but still hold together until they leave the barrel.

The second is that they get equally compressed but hold together fine. They then leave the barrel, RAPIDLY expand, and explode.

The third is a combination of the two.

A fourth could be that if they microfragment, gas could be forced into the wad and it is this that causes the explosion when they exit the barrel.

 

I would be concerned about all of the above except option two where the wad holds together. It may be that the explosion can begin at the start of the baffled section of the moderator, but the wads i use are different to yours. I'd like to avoid using the ones you have just in case.

 

My wads are 20 and 18 mm fibre from Folkestone Engineering. They are quite a dark fibre, though I have seen darker. They have an annoying plastic disc at either end, which makes them semi-degradable in my eyes - grrr!

 

I had presumed that the plastic was to stop shot biting into the wad, and that it is on both ends to save us from checking the wad is the right way round. But then we all know how dodgy presuming things is .....

 

From various websites selling wads, I had got the impression that the waxed wads were for use with blackpowder to lubricate the barrel and to make fouling easier to remove

 

So...where did you get your exploding wads?

Sits - are these plastic covered wads 'Diana' wads?

Does anyone know where I could get fibre wads with paper on the ends?

What is the real purpose of waxed wads?

 

Cheers

JW

[sitsinhedges]

My initial thought was that I wouldn't be too worried about the fibre wads exploding as it would make them disperse better. Then I'm thinking about my moderator on the 'Hushberg'.

 

I can see at least three ways in which they might explode. The first is if they get SO compressed at the time of peak pressure that they microfragment but still hold together until they leave the barrel.

The second is that they get equally compressed but hold together fine. They then leave the barrel, RAPIDLY expand, and explode.

The third is a combination of the two.

A fourth could be that if they microfragment, gas could be forced into the wad and it is this that causes the explosion when they exit the barrel.

 

I would be concerned about all of the above except option two where the wad holds together. It may be that the explosion can begin at the start of the baffled section of the moderator, but the wads i use are different to yours. I'd like to avoid using the ones you have just in case.

 

My wads are 20 and 18 mm fibre from Folkestone Engineering. They are quite a dark fibre, though I have seen darker. They have an annoying plastic disc at either end, which makes them semi-degradable in my eyes - grrr!

 

I had presumed that the plastic was to stop shot biting into the wad, and that it is on both ends to save us from checking the wad is the right way round. But then we all know how dodgy presuming things is .....

 

From various websites selling wads, I had got the impression that the waxed wads were for use with blackpowder to lubricate the barrel and to make fouling easier to remove

 

So...where did you get your exploding wads?

Sits - are these plastic covered wads 'Diana' wads?

Does anyone know where I could get fibre wads with paper on the ends?

What is the real purpose of waxed wads?

 

Cheers

JW

 

 

Just buy single waxed fibre wads of the correct size that have paper ends, thin shiny black paper, put an over powder card below them, nothing over unless you need to make up height and just use them. If you need to cut them down put the cut end towards the OPC.

 

Anything else is just complication for its own sake.

 

I wasn't aware that some had plastic ends, which defeats the purpose.

[Cake444]

My initial thought was that I wouldn't be too worried about the fibre wads exploding as it would make them disperse better. Then I'm thinking about my moderator on the 'Hushberg'.

 

I can see at least three ways in which they might explode. The first is if they get SO compressed at the time of peak pressure that they microfragment but still hold together until they leave the barrel.

The second is that they get equally compressed but hold together fine. They then leave the barrel, RAPIDLY expand, and explode.

The third is a combination of the two.

A fourth could be that if they microfragment, gas could be forced into the wad and it is this that causes the explosion when they exit the barrel.

 

I would be concerned about all of the above except option two where the wad holds together. It may be that the explosion can begin at the start of the baffled section of the moderator, but the wads i use are different to yours. I'd like to avoid using the ones you have just in case.

 

My wads are 20 and 18 mm fibre from Folkestone Engineering. They are quite a dark fibre, though I have seen darker. They have an annoying plastic disc at either end, which makes them semi-degradable in my eyes - grrr!

 

I had presumed that the plastic was to stop shot biting into the wad, and that it is on both ends to save us from checking the wad is the right way round. But then we all know how dodgy presuming things is .....

 

From various websites selling wads, I had got the impression that the waxed wads were for use with blackpowder to lubricate the barrel and to make fouling easier to remove

 

So...where did you get your exploding wads?

Sits - are these plastic covered wads 'Diana' wads?

Does anyone know where I could get fibre wads with paper on the ends?

What is the real purpose of waxed wads?

 

Cheers

JW

 

 

 

 

The wads I use I get from http://www.wadsincorporated.com/home/default.asp

 

The main reason I use them is because they sell oversized 10g and 11g for brass hulls, but generally I buy 12g wadding also for PT cases.

The fragmentation of the wadding occurs with either and I think its because the wadding is so brittle and soft unlike the dark fibre with shiny ends, which is very tough in comparison.

I’m comfortable that they patterns relatively well as I know a few guys who use the same wad configuration as me and I’ve done well at clay shoots with them.

 

My curiosity is with the lubed or waxed wads. I know there general design is to reduce fouling of the barrel but it also causes the wad to become a bit tougher and firmer as a result. The dark fibre wads that are found in cartridges - are they lubed or waxed as default?

[Jaguar Warrior]

but sitsinhedges...where do we get the ones you recommend?

You can't tell if there is no photo on the website, and even is there is then the angle is usually wrong.

 

Ive just heated up mine with a lighter, and I can get wax out onto a piece of paper. They fall apart when heated, so I presume the was is there to bind them.

 

I did think the commercial hard wad in eley .410 cartridges was bitumen based. However ive just used a lighter on those and i think they are just minature versions of the ones i have. The ends are also a thin black plastic film. It burns like plastic, chews like plastic and looks like plastic.

 

The made to order waxed wads from wads incorporated appeared to me to be wax coated, for muzzle loading. They are expensive too. If they are only coated, they might not hold together any better than the ones you have.

Edited April 5, 2011 by Jaguar Warrior

[sitsinhedges]

http://www.claygame.co.uk/Cat22Page10FibreWads.pdf

[Cake444]

http://www.claygame.co.uk/Cat22Page10FibreWads.pdf

 

 

Thanks for the link! Will get these for my 12g PT hulls.

 

It’s a dam shame they don’t do 10g fibre

[sitsinhedges]

Thanks for the link! Will get these for my 12g PT hulls.

 

It’s a dam shame they don’t do 10g fibre

 

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[Cake444]

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Thanks