darren m Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 does anyone here have a spayed working bitch ? how does she work , did anything change after the spaying? reason i,m asking ( i,ve mentioned on here before ) is that my 2.5 yr ess bitch is in season again and every time so far shes had a phantom preg a few weeks after every season , nest making , milk , the works , which is as bad as when shes in and there not getting any better. the other problem is her seasons always fall around oct /nov time which is a real pain when beating. i did think about breeding her to try and put an end to the phantoms but not sure i want the hassle. she works fine , we have our moments , but dont want to ruin her. now what i,d like is opinons on spayed working bitchs do they still work ok , better or worse thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helenthomas Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 does anyone here have a spayed working bitch ? how does she work , did anything change after the spaying? reason i,m asking ( i,ve mentioned on here before ) is that my 2.5 yr ess bitch is in season again and every time so far shes had a phantom preg a few weeks after every season , nest making , milk , the works , which is as bad as when shes in and there not getting any better. the other problem is her seasons always fall around oct /nov time which is a real pain when beating. i did think about breeding her to try and put an end to the phantoms but not sure i want the hassle. she works fine , we have our moments , but dont want to ruin her. now what i,d like is opinons on spayed working bitchs do they still work ok , better or worse thanks again My bitch has been spayed for the same reasons as you say. Real issues with phantoms and terrible allergies made worse by her hormones. She is great now, good body and coat condition and it in no way affected her work. The only thing I will warn you about is she suffered the mother of all phantoms immediately after being spayed, and I took great care to get her done mid way between her 6 monthly seasons. Helen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster123 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 im having the same problem at the minuite with my 2 year old ess bitch all of the above but she has started growling at the cocker dog (9mths}old,the poor little chap doesent no what hes done wrong ha ha.but i dont think id get her spayed i will let it pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Jump in if I may, please; Would it be worth spaying early on? And what is the earliest/recommended age for spaying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 does anyone here have a spayed working bitch ? how does she work , did anything change after the spaying? reason i,m asking ( i,ve mentioned on here before ) is that my 2.5 yr ess bitch is in season again and every time so far shes had a phantom preg a few weeks after every season , nest making , milk , the works , which is as bad as when shes in and there not getting any better. the other problem is her seasons always fall around oct /nov time which is a real pain when beating. i did think about breeding her to try and put an end to the phantoms but not sure i want the hassle. she works fine , we have our moments , but dont want to ruin her. now what i,d like is opinons on spayed working bitchs do they still work ok , better or worse thanks again get yourself a litter out of her,always best in the long run,then that should sort out the phantom problem,after that you can always have her injected to stop the season,especially in the game season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 get yourself a litter out of her,always best in the long run,then that should sort out the phantom problem,after that you can always have her injected to stop the season,especially in the game season May sort the phantoms out, or may not. Speying will. Why breed? To line your pockets? Or to improve the breed? What has this dog got that means the pups will be snapped up into appropriate homes, what will sets these pups apart from all those non-descript springer pups in rescue? I'm 100% behind responsible breeding for the right reasons, but this ain't it. Sorry Ackley, can't agree with you on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) Darren - speying your bitch will make sod all difference to her working ability, if it's the right thing for you then do it would be my advice Edited April 14, 2011 by WGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 May sort the phantoms out, or may not. Speying will. Why breed? To line your pockets? Or to improve the breed? What has this dog got that means the pups will be snapped up into appropriate homes, what will sets these pups apart from all those non-descript springer pups in rescue? I'm 100% behind responsible breeding for the right reasons, but this ain't it. Sorry Ackley, can't agree with you on this one. why breed,because the experts say its good for your bitch,having her speyed isnt natural,and whats wrong with "lining your pocket" by having a litter,its not all about the money,Iam just having a litter,thes reasons being its good for my bitch,I want to keep a pup off her and I will make a few quid as well although I may have a lot of expense as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Did think I was getting a sense of deja vu http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/105801-bitch-spaying/page__p__906198__hl__spaying__fromsearch__1#entry906198 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Did think I was getting a sense of deja vu http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/105801-bitch-spaying/page__p__906198__hl__spaying__fromsearch__1#entry906198 yes mate you are . was hoping it would,nt happen after every season , but no such luck. not interested in the money side just want to do the right thing , shes getting better with age and dont want to be going backwards cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Here's a reply I gave to a question on another forum: This is an area that causes much confusion and argument especially between vets. There has been much research done into this. The issues: If you spay a bitch before her first season the chances of her getting mammary tumours is almost zero. As the bitch has each season the chances of her getting mammary tumours increases, until middle age when there is no protective benefit (a 5 y/o bitch gets no protection). If you spay a bitch before her first season there is a much higher chance of her suffering urinary incontinence, that will require treatment for life. Having just 1 season significantly reduces the chances of this. (although urinary incontinence is something we see occasionally in spayed bitched) Around a third of unspayed bitches get a condition called pyometra where the womb becomes infected and full of puss. This requires an emergency spay when the bitch is old and sick and is therefore more expensive and a much higher risk. My preference is to spay a bitch 3 months after her first season - I see it as a good compromise between reducing the risk of mammary tumours without a great chance of a dog peeing in the house for years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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