beeredup Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Hi just acquired a Lee loadall and i am looking for information on starting loading and some recipes to get started with mainly for loading a good pigeon cartridge with fibre wad i have just got a copy of Lymans book and its rather confusing to read any help advice would be greatly received Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Is it a 12, 16 or 20 gauge Lee? What shells do you normally use, including shot weight and shell length? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 hi sorry should of stated its the 12 gauge, i usually shoot gamebore clear pigeon 32gramme #6 for pigeon and i think there 70mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) 32gram is a lot of lead! I have a 70 year old mate, (who was visiting here this afternoon) who uses no more than 19 grams in his 28 gauge reloads. His kill rate is excellent. When I shot pigeon in the early 1960s, I based my reloads on Eley Impax with one ounce (28.4 gram) of No. 6 shot. That was in the days of Nobel 60 powder. Impax was a much shorter case. I still reload the 65mm or 67mm case and use Vectan A1 powder for fibre. (however, there will be some who will recommend using As powder) To get my Lee LoadAll to load 65mm, I shortened the final crimp chamber length to 62mm. This does not affect the loading of 70mm cases. The bushes can be made adjustable by drilling through the flat part and screwing in suitable BRASS cheese-head set-pin. I also cut slots in the aluminium front panel to facilitate this feature. The are photos somewhere on this site of this modification. The primers you will require are Cheddite CX2000 or Fiocchi 616 or UEE 209 or Martignoni 688. On the subject of primers, Cheddite will be too loose a fit in shells that were originally fitted with the others listed. Edited November 30, 2012 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 ok thanks the wad sizes seem wuite complicated i take it you need a fibre wad big enough so there is just the right amount of case left to form a nice crimp? i will look for your post on modifications thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 beer, the actual recipe and the combination of components that make the shell. not the reloader. i`ve made lemons on a fantastic MEC. but i`ve also made brilliant ammo. finding the right recipe for what you want is the best start. then buy the components, then shoot em. the recipe tell you more than you think, and the actual reload proof data tells you a lot what is taken for granted. if you are after a like for like load with factory, then there are multiple loads available. i can say that vectan A1 is probly the best bet to buy. they have 32g loads that go 1300fps, that should be adequate for pigeons. other loaders will be able to tell you the better loads, i rarely load up full fat loads thesedays. i`ve just started experiments with new powders. even the worst reloading machines can make the best ammunition. its all in the recipe, finding a good one is 90% of the battle. after that its easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) 70 mm case fiochi 616 28 gram lead no 6 22 grains AS powder 20 mm diana fibre wad +http://www.siarm.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_26_97&products_id=1931 javascript:popupWindow('http://www.siarm.com/popup_image.php?pID=1931') Edited November 30, 2012 by brian28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 70 mm case fiochi 616 28 gram lead no 6 22 grains AS powder 20 mm diana fibre wad +http://www.siarm.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_26_97&products_id=1931 javascript:popupWindow('http://www.siarm.com/popup_image.php?pID=1931') 4mm card over the powder, Brian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 yep thats what that link was supposed to be, those diana wads from them allso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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