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  1. This is the letter that was released afterwards on quite a few sites. Personally I think its something my local police have dealt with very badly.

     

    Dear All

     

    A situation has arisen in the Hertfordshire Area that I believe all Gundog members should be made aware of and one that could have serious implications for the manner in which gundogs are trained in the future.

     

    On 29th January 2006 two ladies, Jacqui Crew and Sue Jones, went to Symmonshyde Woods near Hatfield to train their gundogs. Prior to doing so they contacted the local farmer and sought his permission to go to the woods for this purpose. That permission was readily granted.

     

    They took with them dummies and a starting pistol and during the afternoon gave their dogs a number of retrieves.

     

    They were approached by two local police officers who immediately seized the starting pistol and informed them that they were being reported for their possession of the starting pistol. According to the ladies the officers were brusque and aggressive towards them and refused to listen to any explanation. When the ladies telephoned the farmer using their mobile in the presence of the officers they refused to speak to him.

     

    They were clearly shocked and upset by what had happened and wrote to the local Chief Superintendent complaining about the actions of his officers and demanding the return of the starting pistol. They did not receive any response, indeed the letter was not even acknowledged.

     

    Within the last few days they have both received through the post a summons to appear at Hatfield Magistrates Court next Wednesday. The offence is:

     

    On Sunday 29th January 2006 at Hatfield without lawful

     

    authority or reasonable excuse had with you in a public place,

     

    namely the Public Picnic Area, Symmondshyde Wood,

     

    Hammond Lane, Hatfield an imitation firearm revolver.

     

    Contrary to Section 19 The Firearms Act 1968.

     

     

     

    The receipt of this summons has come as a terrible shock to both of them and they have sought and obtained legal advice. The case will be adjourned this coming week until September in order that they can mount a vigorous defence to the charge.

     

    There are two major issues that I see in this case, the first is the status of the land upon which the training was taking place. The two ladies clearly believed that they were on private land hence they had asked permission to be there. The second and more worrying aspect is the starting pistol being interpreted as ‘an imitation firearm’ in these circumstances. I do not believe that parliament envisaged this section of the Act being used against two ladies training their gundogs on a Sunday afternoon.

     

    I am concerned about the outcome of this case for Jacqui and Sue but I also feel the implications for every Club or Society in the country could be far reaching. Most of the people that I know that train dogs often use a starting pistol to do so. Everyone needs to be aware of this case so I would ask you to communicate it to as many as you can.

     

    If anyone had experienced similar situations can you let me know in order that I can pass it to the defence representative

  2. Personally I like to keep a HW45 Air pistol with flat headed pellets handy. If you need to dispatch anything, then put your foot on it and shoot point blank to the head.

    Or if it struggles you could,physically and figuratively speaking,shoot your self in the foot !!!!

     

    LOL :lol: I guess so, But thats why I do it Point blank....then U wont ;), and anyway Im usually wearing Steel Toecap Army boots when out shooting, I doubt 5/6ftlbs Would penetrate through it lol. But a funny thought :good:

     

    -Andrew

     

     

    carrying a pistol may not be the best idea, If you were to have a visit from the police while out shooting they would probably frown on the pistol as regards it looking like a banned firearm.

    Far easier is a short priest if you don't want to break the necks

  3. Simple answer is yes. they were in a private wood I believe and had permission to be there but they were near a footpath or some such rubbish. I think the imitation firearm is what did it. What makes me fume is that its hardly in the public interest to prosecute them and we pay the money to take them to court and all the police time investigating something so ridiculous.

  4. It absolutely stinks.

     

    I'm local to it and the reporting has been atrocious, It was reported in our local rag that the officers were shot at by poachers!

    they had permission to be there and really where do you have to go to find land that the public can't access?:good:

     

    You would have thought someone would have seen common sense before they were convicted

  5. Is it really that bad, we've had cats play with mice before killing them and I must say that when I've been feeding the Missus's horses and i've found her feedbins full of mice i've thrown a Jack russel in.

    Ok I can't see the need to film it but really its no worse than putting a ferret down a rabbit hole. Presumably it was a young ferret as it didn't really know what it was doing and the owner was presumably educating it to live food.

  6. We've had this with our Jack Russels, the only real advice is to walk them more on roads etc to harden the pads up, We moved house this year and have a nice walk into the back garden but through a nettle infested footpath. This was a problem to begin with but now since more road walking they happily dance through the nettles with no problems at all.

  7. look up colway tyres should be approx £40 each they are copies of BFG tread patterns so you can get a set of mud terrains and it won't set you back that much. I've got a set of their all terrains on my independant but in 31x10.5 R15 which is as close to the standard size that you can get in the newer traks.

    Good tyres a plonker to balance but guess thats the re-mould bit for you. So far they've been on 2 years and about 27K including quite a bit off road and they hardly look worn.

  8. Its the noise as it goes through the air, Its a very pronounced crack which if you safely stand downrange of a shot is peculiar as you can't tell where its come from. So all the rabbits tend to do is stick their heads up and not run. i've regularly shot ones sitting next to each other with mine. The .22 though quieter still has quite a smack when it hits the rabbit so isn't as silent as made out

  9. It has been discussed to death but hey theres still room for more.

     

    I've used both My brother has a .22LR and I subsequently got the HMR. The .22 is more like an airgun and the HMR is more like a centre fire rifle in my mind. I don't like the .22 because of the ricochet aspect anything that zings away off grass land is just not pleasant to shoot at rabbits where you can be taking a lot of shots and want fast shots. I have heard of people having the HMR ricochet but to me there will be little left of the Vmax round to travel far and it certainly won't ricochet after passing through a rabbit like the .22. I shoot mostly from a vehicle and the HMR means I can cover 150 yards from the tracks round the farm I lamp on so we don't need to travel far on the fields which is handy when its wet.

    The HMR also gives you far more killing ability and accuracy. Wind can be an issue but no more IMHO than the .22 if its windy you just don't take rabbits as far away and allow a bit for it. Since getting it my brother has stopped bringing out his rifle which says it all to me, Its lovely especially at night to place the cross hairs on the head and know that thats it. With the .22 you need far more distance judging and allowance which at night can be difficult. If you get it wrong with the .22 which everybody does once in a while you'll get a screaming injured rabbit. With the HMR if you get it wrong it still kills quickly due to the shear amount of damage the round does

  10. Sounds disturbing, forget about the Company he says he's calling from as its definitely bogus, he must have got your details from somewhere which is of concern but the police will be useless as its a pay as you go phone. The best bet is to get hold of your phone supplier as they can sometimes block the number from being connected through to you, though this really only works if you are with BT as the others seem pretty inept at it! Also try and find what network the mobile is on and start pestering them with the police details and try and get him disconnected.

    Alternatively you can just answer the call and leave the phone off the hook to cost the guy as much as possible.

  11. I've had an adjustable as well and it was putting it mildly ****, but then mine does have jack russels to contend with :lol:

    I now have a purpose built one in my fourtrack that luckily I got cheap on ebay plus a large assortment of stuff wedged down the side of the seats where the little ******** were managing to squeeze through :good:

  12. I'm in Herts and have no intention of phoning it in its setting a dangerous precedent IMHO. But I do always let the landowner know especially when lamping as people always seem to call him. we've never had the plod turn up yet but I guess it probably won't be too long

  13. I know of research that was done on a pair of shooting estates years ago funded by the RSPB, On one badgers were controlled and on the other they weren't. On the one where they were there was a massive resurgence in ground nesting birds. Sadly the research got burried as it was decided their members wouldn't like to be seen siding with the killing badgers argument. :good:

  14. Stuart I have the same predicament, my two JRT's are nearly 4 now and have been beating since they were about 3 months old :good:

     

    At this time of year they can be very difficult as the birds don't fly that strongly they can look wounded and like the dogs stand a chance of catching them. One of mine is spot on and as soon as you say leave will stop chasing and come back. the other one won't. I beat on the estate where I walk them and to save embarrasment they go on leads where I suspect they are most likely to see birds and when they do see birds they get told to sit and calm down.

    Its a close thing and depends on the terrier whether they simply chase till there is nothing left to chase and ignore you or whether they put the bird up and come back to your call. If you've got one that disappears and won't come back till its ready then its tricky and i'd keep it on the lead this early in the season and then later on start letting him off more so he gets more use to birds.

    Mine do catch the odd one not often but it does happen and have even been known to catch rabbits while on the lead :lol:

     

    keepers do disapear the odd one but in my experience its **** keepers that do it and its only likely when the dog is on its own. To shoot the dog when you're there would get them into a whole heap of trouble.

     

    Good luck though you're going to need it :lol:

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