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So is it good law to penalise all those who legally engaged in the using lead shot by banning it for all? that principle is not applied to all laws, is it?

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Pain, D.J., Green, R.E Google them you will likely conclude they are anti shooting…..

And coming to every ground near you soon

So conor if we accept that illegal use of lead shot over wetlands is happing do you think it makes for good law to ban lead shot for all purpose where the risk of its use is minimal like a clay ground? Thats like saying due to the plymouth tragedy where a legal gun was used illegally then all guns should be banned, despite 99.99% of them being used legally.

oh dear the disconnect between BASC and the average member grows by the day, shooting is getting expensive enough without such money grabbing ideas. online it should be free for members, like the free training you give to FEOs. BASC needs a long hard look at itself.

blimey there is a road not far from me where they all park half on the road and pavement and has been that way for years. what did they say to you, ….. straight to jail … do not pass go …

For game shooting using non toxic shot? or are you referring to wildfowl? as you mentioned “But yes, lack of trust on game shooting does comes into it - the evidence of widespread breach of the lead shot regulations on shoots has been referenced by the HSE. “ Was not aware of any regulations to use non toxic shot for game shooting, other than Duck. What evidence do the HSE reference? Well said

Which regulations are you referring too?

Conor that derogation is a massive insult to every other person who clay shoots and totally illogical if lead shot is such a danger how can it still be acceptable for athletes to still deposit many tonnes of lead shot over the same ground others have to use non toxic? There is only one justification for banning lead shot over the very tiny area of ground that clay grounds operate over and that is because you do not want the risk that lead shot will continue to be used on live quarry as a consequence of not banning it for clay shooting. Otherwise you would be supporting the CPSA in trying to keep lead shot for clay target shooting rather than just passing the monkey on to the CPSA. BASC want a total ban on lead shot, the rest BASC state is just smoke and dagger.

And 60,000 is little compared to clay shooting participation so why are you not urging to keep lead shot for clay shooting?

Did you include your address in the original email you sent? as they check you live within their voting area.

just cartridges are not the cheapest https://www.justcartridges.com/product/gfl-20ga-2/

21gm / 24gm may be one and the same case length, 67mm or 70mm, just pick one length and work with it otherwise you will be continuously adjusting the loading machine. New cases will increase the cost significantly likely resulting in being cheaper to buy the cartridges. You do not say what you are buying for £437 / 1000 via just cartridges why not try and buy local as 20ga 24gm 6 shot can be had for around £330, but prices look to be going up at this time.

Powder A1, 1kg £136.80 gives 964 cartridges so £142 Primers 1000, £62.10. shot £47.40 per 10kg, 24kg £113.80 wads plastic £31.44 or fibre with nitro card £22.56 + £35.88 so if plastic wads £349.32 or if fibre £376.34 per 1000 plus hazardous goods and lead is heavy delivery costs if you cannot collect the components