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Just now, wymberley said:
Within the constraints that you've already mentioned, two stand out - I did this a little while back for a Chapuis and a Webley and Scott. The Hull High Pheasant is one and the other by a country mile is the Gamebore Super Game High Bird. If you're also looking at decoying pigeon and would use 7 shot then the Gamebore fibre Blue Diamond clay cartridge is on a par with the High Bird - Diamond Shot is one size up from marked so 7&1/2 are 7s.
Thats great, thank you.
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I am hoping the PW massive might be able to help me out here. I have a lovely AYA No.2 which is choked cylinder and 1/4. Can anyone recommend a game cartridge that they have patterned in the past that threw a particularly tight pattern. Fibre only please. Its got 70mm chambers which is a bonus. I appreciate that it will pattern differently in my gun and the only way to find out is to pattern it myself, but I am looking to try and narrow down the field to maybe half a dozen. Otherwise it is going to cost a small fortune to go and by a box of every combination of make and load of cartridge on the market.
Thanks in advance.
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I have just been watching this Dave Carrie video of him at the Gamebore factory. They are using a machine there, which they claim is the fastest in the world and it just loads fibre wads. Its running at 15,000 per hour.
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Hi Lloyd, It was me that posted the original question about the recoil pad. I had been quoted £180 to fit a Silver's recoil pad to my AYA No.2 which I thought was a bit steep. The general consensus was that I had been ripped off but when I went to pick it up, it was perfect! They had sanded the pad down to the actual wood and then re-oiled the stock. It looks the absolute dogs danglies and the stock looks way better than when I took it in. They have also shaped the pad and polished it.
I went around the Game Fair stands checking the fit of all the guns with a silvers pad on at the weekend and almost non had that seamless transition from wood to pad.
So was it expensive, yes. Was it worth it, I think so.
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53 minutes ago, welshwarrior said:
How’s he doing it grinding to a close fit then it expensive.
Sanding the pad and stock to a perfect fit thus removing some finish then reoiling the stock from the chequering back and polishing the pad in the traditional way £180 with pad is a good price 2-3 hrs work.
He didn't go into details but as soon as I get it back I will post some photos and a review on the finished item.
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Thanks for the replies folks. I thought it was a bit steep. Yes they are supplying the pad but it is a one for one replacement so nothing to come off the stock. ?
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Maybe I am just getting old and behind the times, or maybe I didn't realise the amount of work involved but I have just been told its going to be £180 to fit a Silvers recoil pad on my Aya No. 2.
Does that sound about right and I am being a tight **** or have I been ripped off?
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1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:
I suspect the reason for this is twofold;
- There is no doubt that the old open guns with the right shot felt wads etc., throw a good pattern and will do the job every bit as well at the right range (i.e. 'normal' shoot range) as modern equivalent. The only real disadvantages seem to be speed of reloading and sensitivity to wet weather.
- I strongly suspect that anyone shooting a muzzle loader will be both a keen enthusiast, and with that usually goes a pretty fair (or better) shot and an excellent sense of sportsmanship, by which I mean that they understand their gun's (and their own) performance and know how to use it to its best advantage.
When I used to run a shoot, a team of guns was often made up of a few 'keen shooting people', and several guests, who were both variable in experience and 'skill'.
Good teams shoot accurately and cleanly, and only take questionably long shots where there is a bird that is already pricked. Inexperienced guests can be very 'optimistic' as to their guns and their own performances (putting it politely!) - result, runners and pricked birds.
Absolutely spot on!
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58 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:
The open cylinder muzzle loaders can certainly work to a good 'normal' 12 bore range. My godfather had a muzzle loader he gave to me (I still have it) - and he used it regularly to good effect (he was a very keen shooter and excellent shot). However, I have been told by people who have been to some of these specialist 'Devon high bird shoots' (I have never been) that the birds are well beyond what would have been considered 'range' for a 12, and need high performance loads and choke.
Most 'normal' UK pheasant shoots show birds under the 40 yards or so considered for many years about the 'range' of a 12, and the majority of birds are shot well within this range. No 6 and open barrels are fine for this - and an ounce in a nice s/s is a fine way to do this.
It is said that the Devon high bird shoots show birds at a real 60 - 70 yards, and to get a decent pattern and penetration at that range requires something rather more specialist.
These were definitely not Devon high birds, just lowly Essex birds.
It was still an absolute please to watch.
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15 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:
Interesting - I don't fuss much over choke. I have several guns, and without getting out my micrometer, couldn't even tell you what the chokes are, other than they a mix of IC, 1/4 and 1/2.
I shoot clays regularly with 3/4 oz (21g, 12 bore) in these fairly open barrels and my gun breaks the clays very nicely (when pointed correctly of course).
When I shoot game, I use 28g felt wad No 5 or 6, and again - it works very nicely thank you (when pointed right) at the ranges at which I shoot (normal UK small farm shoot).
IF I was sent to the really high birds as found in Devon valleys, I would have a problem, because I do accept that to shoot at the ranges there in anything like a sportsmanlike way, I would need much more 'serious' firepower than an ounce through open(ish) barrels, but I don't do that sort of shooting and very much doubt I could get the pointing right either!
I do in fact have an o/u teagued with a 'full set', (bought like that second hand) - and have never changed the chokes since I bought it, which I think are 1/4 and 1/2, or possibly 1/4 and 1/4.
For what I do - pointing it right is the key, and heavy choking/tight patterns are unnecessary.
As mentioned in one of my earlier posts I had the opportunity to pick up behind a team of muzzle loaders last season. Having watched them shoot the best cartridge to bird ratio of any team last season, along with the fact I have never seen so few runners (my dogs were getting very bored) I assumed they must have been using either a lot of choke or very big loads. When I asked them what they were using, I was amazed to see they were using an ounce of 6 shot and apparently their guns were that old that choke hadn't even been invented then, so they were all cylinder.
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14 minutes ago, Mr.C said:
I would attend a fun day if it were drivable in a day from the sarf coast.
And if there were the chance to try a black powder shotgun I'd sign up now, always wanted to never had the opportunity.
I picked up behind a team of muzzle loaders last season and it really was something special. The whole pace of the day was much slower and boy could they shoot. In fact they had the best bird to shots ratio of any team this season. And the best bit was they let us all have a go at the end of the day. Fantastic team with some absolutely stunning guns.
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57 minutes ago, ips said:
Nice ?
What is it..AYA ?
It is an AYA No. 2 with 28" barrels. It was bought new by a Colonel Pickard from the Royal Artillery and he took it all over the world, shooting with maharajas etc. He sold it to a very good friend of mine. When my friend bough it, he spent a day with the Colonel looking through all his old game books and looking at his shooting photos. He said it was very impressive.
I have watched my friend shoot with it, a lot better than I do with my O/U for years and when he bought a new AYA No. 2 he said I could have his old one.
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Well I couldn't resist any longer. Bought this yesterday and love it.
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The original pictures didn't do it justice. Thats much better.
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i will find out what he has done to it
EMT, how do you know whos done it, but your right
He put the same picture on FB earlier.
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Its not Jason's usual standard of work.
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You left out the part where you kind heartedly left the Pigeon behind for the poor starving Stoat his Wife & 12 Kids
If I had a bumper bag I might have considered it but I couldn't of hit a cows **** with a banjo yesterday and only had a bag of 8. I won't say how many I missed.
In fact I have just had it for tea. Pan fried pigeon rolls with fried onions and a red wine sauce. Bloody lovely it was too. -
One of those events happened yesterday that is probably a once in a lifetime event. I had just finished a quick sessions on some laid barley and there was one bird I couldn't find despite my 3 labs looking for it for ages. I had given up trying to find it and was driving along the headland about 50 yards from the hide when I saw a pigeon going into the hedge. I jumped out of the truck and as I got about a foot away it shot off down the hedge line at a ridiculously quick speed, especially as the grass on the headland is very tall. I remember thinking bloody hell thats the quickest runner I have ever seen.
The bird stopped about 8 feet away and just as I approached it, still thinking it was a runner a stoat shot into the hedge. For some reason my brain wasn't in gear and I went to pick the pigeon up fully expecting it to be alive but it had obviously been dead for a while.
It was only then that I realised the bloody stoat had stolen my pigeon! Luckily I had my Mrs and daughter with me to witness it or I don't think anyone would have believed me. I have heard of foxes pinching birds and even birds of prey but never a stoat.
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One if the best threads I have read in a while. Well done, cracking job.
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I had a customer last week with a lab that was 47kg at 7 months old and both elbows had been operated on. When I told her that her dog was overweight she flipped her lid.
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Thanks folks. So they are not telling pork pies when they say they will have to pay the VAT. I do believe some are being economical with the truth though. They often imply they will have to pay the VAT on the sale price not on the profit.
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I am curious about whether or not a shop has to pay VAT when it sells a gun it has either bought second hand from a customer or taken it in part exchange.
The reason is that on numerous occasions and in different shops, I have witnessed the shop low balling on a price for either a px or to buy a gun and the reason being given is that when they resell the gun they have to pay the VAT.
If thats true then fair enough and I fully appreciate that they are a business and have to make a profit and have the gun serviced etc, etc etc but I would have thought that the VAT would have already been paid when it was sold new.
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So how do you buy one of these cheap grey imports. I am in the market for a new Beretta semi.
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I think Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely fantastic and the best thing to happen for years, but then I would say that as a paid up member of the Conservative party
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Thank you for all your help and advice.
When I had them measured there was .002 in the right and .010 in the left so just over cylinder and 1/4. I would normally shoot 1/2 and 1/2 in my O/U and was a bit worried I might have a few gaps in the pattern with the cylinder barrel past 25 yards.
I will get a few boxes of the cartridges you have all recommended and give them a go. I will try and take some photos and report back with my findings.