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Rcooke2552 still hasn't answered the question on how his rifle was tested with or without moderator!! It will be interesting to see the answer on that.

What the members thoughts on Napier Power Pellet Lube? Does it really work? Can it ruin a rifle? www.napierusa.com/acatalog/airgun.html

I should have put often removed depending on the type of Chrono used. Good point thank you.

Depends on the chrono being used. The COMBRO CB-625 Mk4 Air Rifle Chronograph Chronoscope. Will not fit on larger diameter moderators and the mod is often removed. However I agree that had a Chrony F1 Chronograph been used then obviously no no to remove. Question is how was the rifle tested?

Absolutely awesome.

Josh, Thank you for your post mate. I have a 4ltr dive bottle and I get 70 - 80 shots from a fill. I have 4 magazines of which I rarely go into the forth on a hunt. My interest in the regulator is that from what I've read they to give more consistency but is this really true as suppliers will always tell that there the best thing since sliced bread. I hoping that the good people on here might be able to give me there honest experiences. Richard

I'm thinking of getting a regulator fitted to my Hatsan AT44 - 10. Firstly is this possible and secondly is there really any advantage? I love this rifle and am not unhappy with it. However I am one of those people of which has to get the best out of something (I'm probably not alone on that lol). I look forward to your replies and advice :-)

There is also something else to consider here as we'll. This rifle come as standard with a moderator and when testing with a chrono the moderator is often (depending on chrono) removed. You can do a simple test here which will prove my point. Fire your zeroed rifle at a target at 30 yards and now remove the moderator and shot at the same target and you see that the pellet drops below your point of aim by about 10 - 15mm depend ending on pellet weight. This not un commen across most PCP rifles that come with the moderator as standard. If you could test your rifle with the moderator still attached with a chrono you will find that it's going to be about 11.6ft pound. The manufactures of all sub 12ft pound rifles have to be carefull as if they supply a rifle of 11.9ftpound and you add a moderator and change the pellet weight to what the rifle was tested with by the manufacturer you may now be firing over the 12ft pound. With PCP rifles there is a principle that the longer the barrel the more power hence why carbines have less shots per fill as they use more air to get the same power as the longer barrel version. So don't panic about your chrono reading as it's not a true reflection of what your rifle is really firing with the moderator on.

I have the AT44 - 10 and it's shooting was shooting at 10.7ft pound with Accu pells 14.3 Grains. However I'm now using sovereigns at15.9g and AA fields at 16g. These have proved to be a better weight for the rifle with better accuracy. I haven't chrono tested it with these yet but have tested with ballistics gel at 20yards they have a deeper penetration than the 14.3g pellets. I have also tested some 18g pellets which were useless.

Bob/R Thank you kindly for you in invite. I would love to visit your club in the near future. Looking at the website it looks really good. I shot regularly at a place between Ongar and Chelmsford but it's always nice to meet new people.

Hi, I picked an extra one up on eBay. The only issue was that it loaded from the other way. A long nose set of pliers and moved the pin so now it loads the same as my other. I have a Daystate mk3 so didn't need to move the magnet.

Hi, I'm in the market for decoy equipment what did the starter kit consist of as I can't seem to find it on their website.

One bad Apple does not mean the tree is rotten!

Fenboy, My original post seems to have rattled you a little of which I am some what surprised. Let's be honest we all need to reminded of things as complacency is a cause of accidents as is inexperience. The rabbit did not need an autopsy as the wound was in the hind leg and where it had gone septic and the fur fallen away from the area a bit bigger than a 50pence piece you could see the pellet .22 lodged in the center about 5mm deep. I would guess that judging by the lack of penetration couple with the fact it was a hind leg would probably indicate the the shot was taken from to greater distance and poorly zeroed. Whilst I concur with you that everyone will occasionally wound an animal rather than kill it, I am sure that like me you and most good hunters try and give ourselves the best possible chance of a kill by ensuring we are within kill range of the weapon being used and don't take wild silly shots. May I also point out that the pellet bouncing from the floor at the range was done by someone who claims he has been shooting for some 26 years. (Complacency) It's also strange that people are moaning about promoting safety and good hunting practice. Surely this should be welcomed as people new to the sport may just join pigeon watch and read this. As for being a class above the rest as you put it, I don't think that I'm better or worse than anyone else as we are all created equal. I was just pointing out that my experience around guns is a lot longer than being a PW Member. From that experience I totally agree that the forces have had accidents and I'm sure sadly will again.

Fair call Eddie57

Thank you for all your replies. Let me clear something up, I may be a newbie on this forum as some of you have put it. However this does not make me a newbie around guns. Having served in the HM forces I feel makes me some what more experienced than a so called newbie. Secondly whilst at a rifle club last week a callous mistake was made an a round fired into the floor and bounced into someone's leg. Remarkably nobody was injured and it was laughed off, much to my disgust of which was made clear to the individual concerned. Thirdly I discovered an injured animal whilst on a hunt. A rabbit that had been shot in the leg. It was limping and the wound septic. I put it out of its misery. Finally I don't care for time spent on these forums being a badge of rank. I do care for the safe use of all fire arms or we all get a bad name and bad press and it's up to each and everyone of us to ensure this does not happen.

Pegasus Bridge, I don't disagree with you but just needed to vent my spleen a little as recently I have seen some results of stupid and Ignorant air gunners and hope that at the very least the good people on here would help promote the right way with me.

Just because you don't need a FAC to own a sub 12ft pound rifle or 6ft pound pistol, Please understand that these are still weapons and not toys! There are owners out there who need to consider the following. 1. Maiming is not sport. Take some time to get your rifle well Zeroed at a range before hunting. This will help in gauging distance and ensure a clean kill. 2. Respect your rifle and clean it properly. 3. Keep away from children and young adults under 18 years old and keep the pellets in a separate place. 4. Read the Law regarding air rifles and pistols in the UK as you do not want to face doing a stretch inside with a cell mate called Bubba. 5. Think Safety, Safety Safety both yours and others. 6. Just because you bought a cheap rifle does not mean the power is any less than a £1300 Daystate. 7. When buying a second hand rifle ensure its in good working safe order and has been looked after. Most importantly get it Chrono tested to ensure its power is correct, again you could face time with Bubba, 5 years in fact. 8. Find a local club. You will find new friends and gain knowledge from their experience. 9. Get some insurance. 10. If you see people mistreating guns or look under age or breaching the law report it immediately, you may just save some body from horrific injury or fatality. Be Safe And Enjoy but remember these are not toys.

I leant my Norica Dragon Carbine .22 to my neighbour. The rifle is 8 months old and fortunately under warranty. Now he swears that he never left it cocked but it suddenly developed a fault of the spring not decompressing to its full size and thus rattling. This has been fixed under warranty is firing fine. The report back after being fixed was that the spring had lost 8mm in length. I will let you guys decide how this happened :-)

This would depend on the power of the rifle. For example your FAC rifle may only be pushing 18ftpds or is it nearer the power of a Benjamin Rouge 357 (of which I would love to own) and uses pellets over the 100 grain mark but kills sheep and wild boars.

Thank you to all your replies. I have changed from the Accu Pells .22 14.3 grains to Sovereign .22 15.9 grains with an amazing result. The rifle was zeroed at 30 yards with the Accu Pells but when I fired the sovereigns the pellets hit the target 45mm higher. I would have expected the heavier pellet to go lower. The weight of the Sovereign performed much better even at 50 yards. This test was carried out on an indoor range. One of the other members also tried these in his Daystate .22 PCP wolverine and got the same result. However we also tried an 18grain pellet out but this was worse than the Accu Pells. So in short it would appear that an optimal weight is around the 16 grain mark.

I mean an overall optimal weight that gives good accuracy and stopping power up to 50 yard.

I have the Hatsan AT44 10 bought new in Feb this year. .22 Cal. Fantastic gun for the Money. It came with an Edgar Brother scope and Moderator and I paid about £475 with slip and Pells. I would recommend this.

I have 2 PCP non FAC rifles, Hatsan AT44 10 .22cal and a Daystate MK3 .177cal. I have read many forums with regarding pellet weights and a general consensus seems to be that PCP rifles prefer a heavier pellet. My Question is "What is the optimal weight for a non FAC PCP air rifle?" I use Bisley Magnums on my .177 with amazing accuracy. However I have been using Accu pells on the .22 which after 35yards seem **** on accuracy but fantastic before 35yards.