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Pretty sure it's an export import job. I have been involved with exporting arms to the USA and Ireland it's a red tape marathon. Plus the shipping as mentioned.
Tracey at PBS International will tell you exactly what is required. She's my go to when I need to get guns to the US or Ireland. But I've never sent any to Canada. Even though I lived there ten years
They are based at Gatwick.
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On 08/04/2024 at 11:10, London Best said:
I take it your little home machine shop includes a barrel boring machine and not just a lathe and mill?
👍 And chamber reamers and rimming tools and choke reamers and barrel tube strikers and tin paste and resin and a large torch and ...................
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On 08/04/2024 at 11:01, PeterHenry said:On 08/04/2024 at 13:25, PeterHenry said:
Off the top of my head, don't you need to be a RFD to possess a gun that's (albeit temporarily) been cut down below the otherwise legal minimum length?
Yes you do. When you cut the barrel for sleeving you then own a shotgun with a barrel less than 24" which then brings it into a section 5 category. The exemption in the firearms act (which you rightly quote below) is provision for RFD certificate holders to cut the barrels temporarily for sleeving purposes only.
Plus good luck in buying sleeving tubes from a bonafide supplier without an RFD certificate. Helstons or Ladbrook and Langton won't supply without one.
Mind you, I did have some made for an 8 bore sleeving job by a hydraulic tube manufacturer because I couldn't get them from my usual suppliers. Worked a treat.
On 08/04/2024 at 11:06, CoventryWire said:Not from my reading of the laws, but I'm sure if the FEO turned up and I had all the bits and it was obvious what I was doing it would be ok? Failing that I guess I just would have to register as a RFD!
Yes you do. And you just don't register as an RFD. There's way more to it than that.
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As an "RFD" I know that Parcelforce has an agreement with the GTA (Gun Trade Association) and trade members of BASC to carry (at a discounted price) section 1 and 2 firearms from RFD to RFD. As a GTA member I had a circular email from them reminding us all that the Parcelforce agreement is RFD to RFD ONLY. So I would say that it is against the "rules". It is worth noting that Parcelforce will ONLY carry firearms if you are a trade member of BASC or the GTA. Although I see someone found some info that they will carry if proof is given that both are rfd.
Royal Mail will not (knowingly) carry firearms. I personally would not deal with that RFD. That just wrong. As Gunman said, they maybe a part timer home rfd and not all follow the rules just to save a few quid. Which in turn puts us all in a bad light. Not saying home rfd's are bad, I was one when I first started out on my own 25 years ago. I would dearly love to know who they are.
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On 12/02/2024 at 14:59, Downforce said:
Every time you buy and sell a shotgun you will inform the local firearms licensing - right?
So they know how many you have If they have any concerns they will email you or call you and ask
I had an email because what storage they had on my record was not the same as what I had in practice , I hadnt changed it, their information was just incorrect so I just told them what I had by email and they were happy
As long as you are ensuring they are properly secured (which is your explicit responsibility) thats what the SGC/FAC holder needs to be concerned with
Home Office do publish a Security Manual and brief guidance documents (available online) which talks about holding larger quantities and what an RFD might need - its a bit of a heavy read but if you just look at the bits that apply it can provide some interesting information
brief guide - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7a1638ed915d6d99f5d0d7/security_leaflet.pdf
Detailed Security Manual - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6007f45dd3bf7f0bf63ab9e5/Firearms_Security_Manual_2020.pdf
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This is quite correct and great advice. Unfortunately police forces (like TVP) are enforcing the Home Office security manual onto private owners too. I know because I'm a gunmaker in Wiltshire that borders Berkshire (TV) and used to be in the TVP region. Most of my customers are Berkshire and they are telling me that this is happening to them. Short answer is no. There is no restriction on the amount of shotguns you can own. You may be asked to up your security other than the size of your gun cabinet. I've always been a proponent of not being afraid to ask your FEO "where does it say that in the Home Office guidance?" When he/she says you have too many guns. Or any more than 6 guns you must have an alarm or You have a 3 gun cabinet you can only have 3 despite fitting four in there. Don't be afraid of them. If we let them get away with what they make up then that will be it for others in the future.
They (Home Office) have now grouped levels of security required for the keeping of firearms that doesn't just take into account how many firearms you own. It also takes into consideration, where you live, the construction of your house, etc. In a sense I don't think it's a bad thing as at least we have something in writing to go by than the FEO's or force areas making it up as they want it to be. Which used to happen all the time. Remember, in theory you still don't need a gun cabinet......
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There is a business I do a lot of repairs for and they just recently called in their FEO to complain about the fact that they were many, many thousands of pounds down in takings from last year and their accountant can categorically prove it was down to lost sales due to the abysmal turnaround of variations and renewals. This shop expanded a few years ago and they have a lot of big money customers.
The only adverse effect on my business from abysmal performance is the many guns I'm storing due to expired certificates during the renewal process which obviously has a knock on effect to servicing, repairs, cartridge sales, etc. because the gun owner isn't shooting.
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15 hours ago, London Best said:
I’m afraid that LGBTQQIP2SA lost me at the second Q.
Can anyone please translate into Anglo-Saxon.
M.e.n.t.a.l i.l.l.n.e.s.s
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On 30/01/2024 at 22:43, clangerman said:
I can get nagged at home no need to take it with me lol
LOL I was shooting today and a gun had his wife loading for him. He said she comes with me so I don't get moaned at when I get home.
On 30/01/2024 at 21:09, Conor O'Gorman said:Shooting is open to everyone, and there are barriers, whether real or perceived, to get into shooting, whatever the discipline, and there are lots of initiatives to encourage more women into many sports not just shooting. The more diverse we can be the more inclusive we can become. And that includes welcoming LGBTQQIP2SA shooters.
For fear of getting banned (and so be it) There are only two sexes. Male and Female. The rest are mental illnesses and I wouldn't want them having access to firearms. There. Said it.
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But it doesn't mean that I want to give up my Eley Impax 28g 6's or think that I am going to bow down to the EU and their lead bans when I voted for brexit hoping that our firearms laws were going away from the EU for UK firearms laws dammit!!! LOL
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3 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said:
Thanks for the feedback and I have given it some thought.I agree with you on the dangers of appeasement - and another viewpoint might be that the voluntary measures taking place in recent years in the UK to move away from lead shot and single use plastics for shotgun cartridges used in live quarry shooting are not only about doing the right thing for the environment (we have a proud history of conservation in the UK and want a sustainable future for live quarry shooting) but also about preparing for what might come.
Some might say that this is not appeasement, its being pragmatic. But I accept there will be varying viewpoints on that and it will be a case of judging current events down the line with the advantage of hindsight.
On that note, we have had many years forewarning of what is happening in the EU - and the way things are shaping up, its not a matter of if, but when, restrictions on lead ammunition take force, despite the combined forces of every hunting organisation across Europe fighting against a ban. And lead bans happening all around Europe will impact in many ways on the continued use of lead ammunition in the UK.
Brexit gave us a year's grace from what was happening on the lead ammo ban front in the EU until the UK government created similar legislation and processes taking place in the EU to ensure continued trade in chemicals - and that is why in 2021 we saw the launch of a lead ammunition review along the same lines as what was already happening in the EU - amongst hundreds of other reviews for other chemicals - in other words, no conspiracy against shooting, just a political/policy reality we have been caught up in as a sector using lead.
The academics and organisations seeking a lead ban were dismayed by the announcement of a lead ammunition review in 2021. They saw this as kicking the can down the road. They have wanted a full lead ban for many years regardless of the evidence and regardless of the consequences for shooting.
And that is where BASC in particular comes in.
We have successfully pushed back on lead ban proposals here in the UK for decades.
Most recently, last year's proposals to ban the outdoor use of lead airgun pellets have been dropped. And it looks like proposals to ban the outdoor recreational use of lead rifle ammo will be dropped. There is still work to do on the outdoor recreational use of lead shot. And lots more in-between - it is a complex issue.
Latest update here: https://basc.org.uk/basc-response-to-hse-lead-ammunition-consultation/Also consider that thanks to devolution the administrations in Wales, Scotland and NI have the power to put in place lead bans as they wish and not await the HSE lead ammunition review outcome.
As regards shooting clubs and syndicates affiliated to BASC or considering doing so, it is a fantastic package as outlined in a recent article as follows:
https://basc.org.uk/should-you-join-our-savvy-basc-syndicate-members/
Conor, I admire your full and comprehensive reply. A lot of what you said is what I have heard already from other organisations (such as the GTA) But I didn't want to accept or believe it. And I have to say that I am with you on that. Great post.
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5 hours ago, dogone said:
In Canada and USA we have had to use steel/ tungsten or whatever for over 20 years. Only on waterfowl,not Huns or grouse. The loads seem to have been perfected for waterfowl. Waterfowlers have adapted and no one complains anymore. There are loads effective to over 60 yards on geese. They are similar in price to lead so that doesn’t seem to be an issue. Youngsters don’t even remember using lead.
We have done the same on waterfowl in the UK since the 90's. Loads got the same perfection. Steel was even cheaper than lead when we were allowed to shoot plas wads. What we are talking about here is non lead on grouse, pheasant etc. We don't/can't use cheap plas wad steel loads. We are now told to use these new steel loads with biodegradable wads which can be as much as 50% more per box than our favourite lead load. We don't shoot game with pumps or autos. So we are looking for an affective, reasonably priced, safe and humane load for our old vintage guns. Bismuth here for me is anything from £400 - £450.00 for 250 cartridges and therefore not an option. Yes I understand your point but we are talking something different.
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On 21/01/2024 at 20:31, Conor O'Gorman said:
Below is an article from outside our sector reacting to BASC's response last year to the annual review of lead in game meat research.
The annual review is called ShotSwitch and is here:
https://eri.ac.uk/research/major-projects/shot-switch/
Considering your question my thoughts are as follows.
There are those outside the shooting sector that want to see a total ban on lead ammunition - these are organisations and academics that do not care about the consequences for shooting - they think we can just flick a switch and get the job done if forced to do so legally. Their primary concern is to stop the poisoning of a wide range of bird species from our continued use of lead shot in the open countryside where its availability to bird to pick up cannot be controlled, and their concerns about evidence of widespread non-compliance by shoots with existing lead shot restrictions in place for 20 years. A total lead ban of course does not target the risk - which is the use lead shot for live quarry shooting - but from an enforcement point of view and a lobbying point of view - is a simple solution to a complex issue.
Then there are those within the sector that want to see the status quo continue forever. They argue against the evidence that has been reviewed and accepted by our own scientists at GWCT - and anyone with a different opinion is dismissed as an anti.
The middle ground is about finding a solution and that is where the shooting organisations come in.
The voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry shooting needs continued support if we are to avoid the cliff edge of legislation and that has been the core of communications on this issue for almost 4 years now and I would urge you @Scully and others with local connections to shoots up and down the country to encourage that change in practice rather than principle.
Those knocking BASC and other organisations for encouraging a voluntary transition do the future of shooting no favours, albeit resistance to change is understandable and indeed the pathway to change has been documented in detail for Denmark here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30506141/
Also there are moves worldwide with hunters supporting and advocating a change in approach and accepting the evidence justifying that change.
I've always said and will continue to say that "volunteering" away a bit by bit of our past time is not the way to go. We will NEVER appease those that are against shooting. Anyone who thinks it will is deluded. It will never get my support. And I vehemently disagree with your comment that "Those knocking BASC and other organisations for encouraging a voluntary transition do the future of shooting no favours". Most if not all I speak to on a daily basis in my establishment and in the shooting agree and only give you money because of the compulsory shooting insurance that they require for their shooting syndicate. I have however enlightened them that other groups exist that offer equal shooting insurance that do not allow the chip chip chip away of our past time.
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On 21/01/2024 at 18:47, Scully said:
A few comments in another thread by various people and one by @Old farrierstating which cartridges he used for high driven birds, primarily because I use the same cartridges, had me thinking.
Part of my job on a big local commercial shoot is to collect empty cases from pegs after each drive. Last season I came across a few Eley non toxic loads and what was left of their eco wads, but the vast vast majority were lead shot loads, and this season I haven’t collected any non toxic cases at all. It’s worth mentioning that guns on this shoot travel from all over the country.
In total I’m involved in around four local shoots either as a beater or a shooter, and I know countless shooters, none of whom are using non toxic shot.I’m aware Warter Priory have apparently made the move to non toxic shot, and BASC have stated they have received commitments from various sections of the shooting community to make the transition, but am unaware if any have of those have actually done so.
This seasons almost over and it won’t be long until the Wetlands Trust and other anti shooting organisations will be buying shot game to test for lead shot to bolster their agenda. They will undoubtedly find it as there is no reason why it shouldn’t be there.
Do any live quarry shooters ( except wildfowlers ) and in particular driven game shooters on PW, know of anyone who has foregone lead shot for non toxic?My question to you @Conor O'Gormanis BASC ready to respond to antis when they attempt to make hay with the fact that the dead birds they have bought and tested, contain lead shot? If so what will that response consist of?
Given that manufacturers are still making and indeed continue to develop lead loads and some gun manufacturers are still designing guns to specifically handle those lead high bird loads, will BASC inform those people that there is absolutely no reason why those birds shouldn’t contain lead shot, given that it is perfectly legal to use lead shot?
As a cartridge seller albeit not in a big way a lot of estates I supply and individuals have reverted to lead this season. Last two years everyone followed the "transition" but this they have given it two fingers and gone back to lead until forced by law.
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6 hours ago, Red696 said:
I’m struggling to shoot with both eyes open as my sight picture is filled with the lefthand side of the o/u barrels, at an angle from right shoulder across to my left. If I close my left eye then the sight picture changes and is along the length if the rib with the glow bead just floating. I’ve spent 40+ years shooting scoped rifles so closed eye does feel natural..
Is this an eye dominance issue or gun fit. I’m working on a consistant mount with 5 or 10mins practice each day so hopefully this will pay dividends on the clay ground and I’ll start to hit more ( don’t seem to have an issue on rough shooting with a long recoil Franchi )
The gun has an adjustable comb, but no other adjustment such as shims, LOP is 14 3/4” which feels right in the hands.
All advice and opinions gratefully received.
It's eye dominance. I never thought I had it until I did my coaching course and then I found out why I was seeing what you do. Seek a good gun coach who really understands eye dominance. Like Anne Litchfield who does the Lantra coaching courses. Too many weekend ticket experts out there. See someone who has been doing it over a number of years.
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3 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:
"There are NONE so BLIND as those that CANNOT SEE".
I really do despair, we who question are seen as the trouble makers and the small band of BASC Defenders repeatedly wish to close threads and silence open debate.
I get that. And the arrogance of Conor is annoying to say the least. Just like a true BASC rep. I've had my say earlier in the post and that is that but I admire Konor's stand on this.
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On 19/01/2024 at 13:15, Rewulf said:
BASC proposed it 'voluntary' phase out of lead shot for live quarry in 2020, as has been discussed, at length, without consultation , from its membership, and without any input from cartridge manufacturers.
It continued to tout the 'toxicity' of lead, and the benefits of using steel shot...A lot.Then coincidently , a year later, the HSE announced it would be looking at banning lead for firearm projectiles across the board..
I asked Conor at the time, if BASC had any forewarning of this inquiry, after some pushing and shoving , he said no.
So 'coincidently' a lead ban is on the cards for all shotgun use, yet BASC are now rigorously 'fighting the HSE lead ban proposals since 2021' ?
I would ask , what went wrong, did you have an agreement with government, that they have reneged on ?
Is it all smoke and mirrors ?No Conor, there are a LOT of people on here, and elsewhere who are not happy at all with BASCs stance and behaviour around this matter.
Its contradictory, seemingly dishonest and evasive, to say the criticism of BASC is misinformative is clearly a deflection from your own stance.
To say its personal, after you yourself have made various insults and personal attacks is laughable.People ask you straight forward questions which you evade, or 'refer to BASC press release' which does not answer the question, when pushed, you resort to the personal attacks.
Ill give you this , you are persistent , maybe thick skinned, but your obvious anger shows through in some highly unprofessional ways at times, its not just here , you get the same if not worse on the SD.
Why you dont just ignore the dissenters and preach just to the converted Im not sure.
Maybe you like the conflict, but its one youre losing.Spot on!
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1 hour ago, holloway said:
I know you have your doubts about steel as did many but from my own experience and many others it works humanely and it hasn't harmed any of my guns ,the English ones couldn't have been made any better anyway ,if the bargain basement Turks live through the massive recoil and huge pellets lurching up the tube 🤣your quality English stuff in good condition will be fine .
Thanks.
LOL. Spot on about the Turkish guns.
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7 hours ago, grahamch said:
Evolve or die I guess.
Which was pretty much the exact arrogant reply I got from BASC.
Old **** here. One who has over 20 years invested in some wonderful Edwardian guns to hand over to my sons when I hang up my tweed for good. No Purdeys or H&H's.... yet. I'm not of that money before you start saying well stop whining, you can afford Tungsten or Bismuth then. Which is also what BASC said to me in their reply when I stopped my membership. (Yes they did!)
I too game shoot on a small budget. I managed to get into a friendly little self run syndicate this season as to buy a day now for me is out of the question due to cost. (£600.00 for a 70 bird day as opposed to £250- 300 a few years back) I clay shoot a bit more nowadays to enjoy my guns. And I don't go game shooting just to kill birds. I know a lot of people that do. They turn up with their chosen implement, shoot what flies over them and go home. I'm not saying that's wrong either. Each to their own. But I have an interest in the history of our shooting and gun making. Many times I have been caught staring at the engraving or the Damascus patterns as they glint in the sun whilst not even seeing that bird whistle by and mates shouting "Wake up"!! I sometimes wonder where my Westley Richards 'Ovundo' has been used whilst I admire it waiting for the drive to start. And when I drop that 'corker' to add to the 25 bird bag with something made in 1910 that makes the day even more worth while for me. Not how many. Now if that's an old **** looking through rose tinted glasses then guilty as charged. I certainly don't want a tool just to do the job when it comes to driven or walked up game shooting. I want to be able to carry on enjoying our gun making history against the same quarry they fired in anger at over 100 years ago. I'm not against modern guns either. I have great fun using a pump on the pigeons. And a custom GD5 Browning 325 on sim days when I have the money for a sim day. I also think the most wonderful gun out there is the older 28" Beretta silver pigeon 20 bore with fixed chokes. It is an absolute joy to shoot. And shoot steel it will. But you may agree (or not) the history and wonder of a gun made in 2003 bears nothing on the history and craftsmanship of a hand made gun assembled over 100 years ago. And I'll happily shoot with an affordable and humane alternative that is suitable for my light weight vintage guns. And I'm not convinced that steel is it. So I am with the Old Farriers, the Konors and the Scully's on this. This is my passion, and my way of life too. And I didn't think my membership money was going towards fighting our corner enough. The give a little to appease "them" and help public image is not my way of thinking. We will never appease an anti. Ever. So fight harder and stop rolling over. It's okay to evolve too. But that takes time.
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16 minutes ago, Bobba said:
Were it not for the fact that I am required to be a BASC member (my gun club and one of my permissions) then based on his performance on this forum I would have resigned my membership by now.
I cancelled my BASC membership years ago. The sudden Monday morning "lead is bad" statement was the last straw. I am a member of SACS for my shooting insurance and to support an organisation helping to fight for our cause. By no means an endorsement. I'm just saying BASC are not the holy grail they think they are.
If your club and permission insist on BASC only then fair enough.
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2 hours ago, Old farrier said:
To add to this more steel pellets to the cartridge more shot needed to kill the bird equals more unsaleable inedible birds
this season I have loaded steel in one barrel lead in the other then trying to shoot left and right on similar height birds at ranges from normal to more extreme when I have been successful
iv sent the dogs have retrieved them both immediately and they were tied together for later inspection ok it’s not the most reliable scientific method but in each case the lead shot birds have been less damaged
anyone tried similar?
Have you found rust in the meat to be an issue?
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21 hours ago, Old farrier said:
will it actually make game more saleable
Also one of my opinions/questions on the non lead debate. The then BGA, BASC, et al were saying one of the great reasons from moving away from lead would get lots more game into the supermarkets.
Wishful thinking IMO. Go back a number of years when no one cared whether game was shot with lead or not (and a lot like me still don't) did we see supermarket aisles brimming with shot birds?? NO! We didn't. There were a few oven ready pheasants a brace of partridge and some pigeons from memory. What makes them now think that just because the bird was shot with non lead the supermarkets will suddenly fill their meat aisles? My opinion is that it has nothing to do with lead. It is about public opinion. The antis would have a field day in the supermarket aisles. If little Phoebe and Harriet are in the milk aisle pouring out all the milk on floor in protest because of the poor cows and their farts destroying the planet then you know what's going to happen if there was all kinds of shot birds on sale. Shot by those nasty people.. Toffs with their guns. It isn't happening. I am not buying the argument that it will introduce more people to game meat.
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Holloway made some lovely guns for other makers. You can tell if it had an H followed by around 5 numbers stamped on the small rib/butt piece. For instance H12345. My son showed me a Hardy Bros in the Holts catalogue online going for no money as the ribs were loose. I spotted the H number and told him to buy it and I'd sort the ribs for him. Bargain at £150,00 Beautiful file up on the action. I also had a Dickson BLE made by Holloway. Beautiful gun but I sold it. (Can't keep all of them if you want to stay in business!) Naturally Holloway were great gunmakers in their own right.
Also Joseph Asbury was the "gunmakers gunmaker" He made a lot of box lock guns for gunmakers. The tell tale sign of a Joseph Asbury made gun is you will find the initials JA stamped on the barrels in front of the flats. I still see lots in circulation today.
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39 minutes ago, London Best said:
I am definitely on your side with this one!
I have seen people use that exact same heavy load to shoot traditional flat land partridges over hedges. No doubt with ridiculously tight chokes as well. And yet I find 28 grams of No.6 or 7 work perfectly well through an imp cyl against Welsh pheasants.
Many folk really do have little idea.Me too. 28g 6's Impax for me on both. My Coggie Extra Quality Victor has imp/cyl - 1/4 choke and brings them down no problem. Dead I should say too. I also have a H. Clarke Leicester with F/A & 1/2. Brought good pheasant down with that and getting questions from fellow pegs... "What cartridges are you using?"
36 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said:I would like to be a little more charitable and say that people really have no experience of what a lightly bored gun and 28gm cartridge can do. They have never patterned a gun with little choke and a light load out at 40 yds. They have been seduced by the cartridge manufacturers hype and what they have heard. Light chokes are for skeet, which they don’t shoot, so those choke tubes stay in the box and many fixed choke guns are tightly choked and never altered.
👍 Totally
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11 hours ago, Smudger687 said:
Respectfully Conor, my last letter to the BASC magazine (submitted at your behest, I might add) was met with a dismissive response from the same Terry Behan. I felt that he had not replied in good faith and was not at all interested in what I had to say. As such, I do not believe that Terry Behan (and BASC by extension) are playing straight with us; his latest appearance on the podcast has done nothing to disabuse me of this belief.
How is it that such a seemingly knowledgeable, senior BASC representative, with access to all the wealth of experience and expertise of BASC, continues to disseminate information which is demonstrably false?
Either he is ignorant, or he is knowingly spreading untruths. If the former, he shouldn't be the Head of the sustainable ammunition group. If the latter, then the most obvious motive (in my opinion) is that he's trying to save face over the handling of the transition to non-tox, and downplaying any issues associated with it.
Could you please let me know which colleagues you've passed my comments on to, as I'd be grateful if they could find the time to publicly respond to my objections. All too often the phrase "Thanks for your comments which I've passed onto colleagues" just serves to deaden a particular line of inquiry and I'd rather not let BASC off the hook for this one.
Thanks.
I was arrogantly slapped down one time too many by them when I was questioning early on about affects of rust in meat with steel shot or kept pointing out that that Eley VIP Pro Eco wad cartridge they so gleefully paraded around at the time as our saviour is NOT suitable for use in ANY nitro proofed gun as they first declared. 'You don't know what you are talking about' was one reply. (I'm a gunmaker) There are now alleged cases of game being rejected due to rusty shot in meat. I also kept persevering over a couple of days back then pointing out to various reps on FB that the information they are giving is incorrect and in fact dangerous. I was slapped down again until I pointed out that 70mm cartridges are not suitable for use in 65mm chambered guns. A lot of us still shoot 65mm chambered guns so that cartridge is definitely NOT suitable for ANY gun that is nitro proofed. The posts on social media were quickly removed. I then cancelled my membership. I appreciate where BASC is coming from in trying to future proof our sport but any questioning, resistance, or objections including the non believers are treated like covid deniers or anti vaxers it feels. The arrogance towards some of its members was eye opening to say the least. Good luck to them. They'll not see my money again. There are other field sports societies that fight our corner who will happily take my money.
My one last say in this: How can an organisation which have been saying for many, many years that it opposes any further restrictions in lead shot (following the lead ban on wildfowl) and can see no reason why to ban lead shot suddenly wake up Monday morning and say that lead is bad we need to go lead free.
What if my sgc gets rejected?
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In my experience, the ONLY person that can answer your question is your local firearms enquiry officer. He/She will take the information and submit it to your head of firearms licensing for a definitive answer if they feel further guidance is needed. I am sure they will give you advice and a provisional answer for free. My area will.
Best of luck.
Sorry. I replied before I saw this. That sucks. My FEO is very open to giving advice before things get official. It's the firearms postcode lottery again 🙄