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17 hours ago, haynes said:
My apprentice went through citb to do bench joinery. What a crock of ....
They didnt teach him anything or check at what level he might be. The classroom/ workshop time he had was pathetic. Some days spent bringing in some delivered timber for most of the day! Workshop woefully behind current practice. Spent more time learning how to be safe using the internet and race relations than how to make stuff.
His exam piece which he passed with, i was disgusted with. A door not fit for a dog kennel. Whats the point. And all the time i was paying him to be there. Hopefully getting a rebate but i wont be getting another apprentice.
Dont get me wrong im all for training new blood but this kind of education is rubbish. Add to that, hes now more qualified than me.
Rant over.
I taught carpentry and joinery at my local tech, it was a farce. It was all about getting everyone a pass grade. one exercise I failed a young lad because what he had made was a fantastic piece of joinery but it was the wrong height and width so in my eyes was no use.
The head of the department told me to give him a B for it as it was so good. My arguments about if it was someones front door and it was too short and too wide then he wouldn't get paid fell on deak ears
3 hours ago, haynes said:I understand that its my job to train him. But i took him on half way through his apprenticeship. So not sure how much hes already been taught.
He works well with me and hes a good lad. And the work he turns out is of a good standard. But he did this door thing on his own for college and i didnt see it till hed finished that part of the course. And why they had signed him off i dont know.
If in the eyes of the college his not up to scratch then why sign it off?
All the college is interested in is passes. They get their funding from passes not failures. My apprenticeship was 5 years of day release and was bloody hard work, not a few months taking photo's and putting a portfolio of someone elses work together. The CITB have dumbed it right down and are producing sub standard tradesmen quickly.
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16 hours ago, PPP said:
Is that B P? I’ve shot there any they were on message about non toxic
I think you know where I mean then? Large Park estate near tiptree?
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1 hour ago, mecman said:
Hi could you please send me the address and tel no or website of your rfd as i could do with some powder,thanks
no website I'm afraid. It is Essex Shooting Supplies at Easthorpe near Colchester 01206 330324
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4 minutes ago, andrewluke said:
why the **** did you start moaning about ducks being shot with lead???
I din't, what i said was .........................
Oh **** it I can't be ***** with you anymore. You are determined to fight and i can't be bothered
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1 minute ago, Scully said:
Ah, I see, now we're getting somewhere; it's a class thing! I'm a game shooter, as are most of my mates. Some of us wear tweed now and then but I can assure you we're all working class. I'm sat here now in my paint covered work clothes, not a pair of breeks in sight, stuffed or otherwise.
I doubt very much it's your fault, but the thing is, it was YOU who brought up the subject of game shooters not adhering to the laws regarding lead shot and fowl. They may well not, but despite making the accusation you appear not to want to do anything about it. You have been asked politely what you have done about it, and to verify the claims you have made, but have managed neither. By your own admission you haven't even tried to do anything about it.
You obviously have trouble reading and just want to pick a fight. I have said time and time again that we made our feeling clear to the keeper of the shoot we went on that we would not be shooting ducks with lead. and also that the police would not be interested.
It is not a class thing, although i get no pleasure from shooting game anymore. It is a adhering to the law thing.
Just now, andrewluke said:if someone is caught speeding then not every motorist is going to be banned !
But that one speeding motorist could kill someone, which is worse than lead being banned. But it's OK, why should you do anything about it? I'm at fault for not running to the police about ducks being shot with lead yet you are prepared to ignore a speeding motorist
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12 minutes ago, Dibble said:
I only meant to jump down your throat over the I'm all right Jack comment about all your guns being proofed for steel sorry if you took my suspicion over the number of ducks found with lead as a personal attack.
Not at all, I am only trying to make the point that lead will be finished if the ban is not adhered to. It wouldn't bother me and yes I am alright Jack, however I would not want to see lead banned. I reload and make my own shot so it would mean having to buy more steel shot than I do.
17 minutes ago, andrewluke said:you've only been told to report what you saw,what's the problem with that?
Nothing, but as I said do you report everyone who speeds past you? If someone wants to break the speed limit and gets caught is that my issue? Should I have phoned the police with his registration?
The police would not be interested in ducks being shot with lead, i would doubt very much if I could find one who knew what I was talking about. Let alone one prepared to do anything about it.
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2 minutes ago, Dibble said:
Are you actually a sleeper for Class War or whatever they have morphed into?
Perhaps the Shoot captain/Keeper then the Police Wildlife Officer.
the keeper who told us not to worry was certainly made aware that none of us would be shooting ducks with lead. Sleeper for class war? Not with you. I merely mentioned that if the lead shot ban wasn't adhered to then it would be the death of lead full stop and that I had been on game shoots where lead is not required. You lot jumped down my throat with every excuse under the sun.
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Just now, andrewluke said:
who do you want to report the incident??
As i said previously, who to?
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3 minutes ago, andrewluke said:
also witnesses who don't report what they have seen?
Of course, I knew it all along it would be my fault.
How dare anyone accuse the stuffed tweed brigade of any wrong doing. It must be lovely to be on the moral high ground all the time.
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Stewards of Bisley are located down that way somewhere. i think it is more Bristol way but they know all about shooting glasses
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2 minutes ago, Dibble said:
I'm suspicious of the 70% figure, are we sure the 70% of ducks containing lead were shot in the UK not pricked abroad?
Who is supplying these duck to game dealers and in what quantity?
surely it would be easy for Game Dealers to identify who supplied them.
"When lead is banned, and yes it will happen it won't make any difference to me. All my guns are steel proofed and I can use whatever I like. All the shooters whio have been flouting the law because they are too tight to buy bismuth yet won't use steel through their pair of Hollands will be crying about their old english guns. "
Cheers Mate, care to chip in when I have to replace my £150 AYA? This motion isn't about the poor ducks it's about bashing people who own Holland&Hollands.
Of course, they were all imported from shoots abroad who only ***** birds, no one in this country would ever do anything wrong. Game dealers aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them?
No, it's up to you to ensure your guns are capable to use whatever ammunition you are required to.
The poor ducks don't know what they are being shot with. it's the people who ignore the law who will be the eventual death of lead. The english law is stupid. The scottish way should be adopted here. At present I can't shoot a duck with lead but on the same peg I can shoot a pheasant. The shot ends up in the same place regardless of quarry.
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7 minutes ago, Scully said:
I assumed ( wrongly it now appears ) that as you’re the one who made an issue of claiming that an awful lot of game shooters are ignoring the law, you may have done something about it. Obviously not. Makes me wonder why, that’s all.
What makes you think the police won’t be interested? You could report the shoot or the estate, or inform the media; I’m pretty sure the latter would be very interested, but perhaps it’s not in your best interest to do so, which makes me wonder why you’ve mentioned it on here.
As an aside, I reported someone local last year for constantly being on his mobile phone whilst driving, and the police did react.
So the statistics that 70% of ducks shot that went to game dealers were shot with lead means nothing? Wildfowlers rarely if ever send their birds to dealers. If they do then they aren't proper fowlers in my book.
Inform the media? Are you completely stupid? That would be like driving to the police station after a skinful of beer. As far as I am concerned if people want to break the law then its up to them. When lead is banned, and yes it will happen it won't make any difference to me. All my guns are steel proofed and I can use whatever I like. All the shooters whio have been flouting the law because they are too tight to buy bismuth yet won't use steel through their pair of Hollands will be crying about their old english guns.
Of course the police will react to a motoring offence, the motorist is, and always will be easy prey for the old bill. Now a game shoot where the rich and famous go they aren't even going to enter the gate.
4 hours ago, stagboy said:No. They do require shotcups, however, and presently only Gamebore make a biodegradable shotcup steel load - and even then in only one (three inch load). They could make other loads, but at present there is no market demand, it seems.
They make a range, but due to CIP rules they cannot sell them in the UK
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17 minutes ago, andrewluke said:
can't understand why you are moaning about it then??
Then it's not really worth explaining to you then is it?
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Just now, Scully said:
I just assumed that as it is against the law you would have reported it. After all, you’ve just accused game shoots in general, on a public forum, as being guilty of this.
reported it to who? the police won't be interested. Defra aren't going to be bothered. Do you report everyone you see speeding? or jumping a red light? Maybe even someone as blatant as to park on a double yellow line? Nope thought not.
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https://basc.org.uk/lead/basc-statement-on-lead-shot/
Although Swift has a different opinion which is why we should never apologise to the hypocrite
https://markavery.info/2016/07/26/guest-blog-john-swift-chair-lead-ammunition-group/
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Just now, wymberley said:
With no response as yet to my previous question, I'm undecided, but are you saying that we owe John Swift and his cohorts an apology?
Not john Swift no, but as far as I am aware there was never a recomendation to ban lead altogether. I'm certain if there was the government would never have voted against it. I know BASC's stance was without scientific evidence they were strongly opposed to any kind of further restrictions.
Just now, andrewluke said:aren't they breaking the law??
Yes, but its up to them. Personally I use non toxic wherever I have to. If other people don't then it's their look out. I am not the police, I can voice my opinion which as anyone who knows me will tell you I'm not afraid to do but as for stopping them shooting? No I cannot.
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What powder are you after? My local RFD near colchester has a good stock
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25 minutes ago, Scully said:
So what have you done about it?
What can I do? It's up to them what they do. i abide by the law and use non toxic where I have to. And many places where I don't.
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11 minutes ago, Scully said:
Why are game shoots singled out.....again? The current lead ban could well be ignored by individual wildfowlers, or anyone at all if they chose to do so; after all, who is going to know?
This is from personal experience, I am a wildfowler first and foremost and on several game shoots I have been on there has been duck drives and all guns were told not to worry about non toxic and use whatever they have brought.
One estate near me that shoot 1000's of ducks never insist on it.
But yes you are quite right it could be a wildfowler ignoring the ban, I'm sure it does happen.
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13 hours ago, panoma1 said:
A couple of years ago the 'Lead Ammunition Group' which was set up by the government recommended lead shot be banned....the government rejected their report as biased! The Ban regarding wildfowl was bought in some years ago!
Really? I don't recall there ever being a recomendation from the LAG to ban lead shot. I thought it was exactly the opposite.
However this cannot be stressed highly enough that if the current lead ban is largely ignored by an awful lot of game shoots around the country then it WILL happen. In Denmark there is a total lead ban and they have adapted and use steel for nearly everything. Gamebore do quite a range of steel shot cartridges sold there (in fibre shot cups) but they cannot be sold here due to the ridiculous CIP regulations
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17 hours ago, grrclark said:
That’s not unreasonable I think.
The club provides the facilities for the shooters to play and the shooters need to be respectful of those rules if they want to play there.
if only it was that easy. The shoot I help run has been fibre only for at least 10 years yet every month someone shoots plastic. We have had to resort to standing at the gate and checking everyone's cartridges. It's ridiculous but if thats what it takes to ensure we can shoot on the ground then thats what has to be done
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Although I haven't used plastic wads for years the best way i have found of removing it was Sweet's 7.62 solvent. It is quite strong and ammonia based so it stinks and must not be left on for more than about 10 minutes.
I used to soak a PB brush in it, scrub the barrels for a few strokes and then leave for a few minutes. Then swab it out with patches around a jag. Repeat if necessary but 9/10 time it won't be
Low incoming floating target
in Clay Pigeon Shooting
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As figgy said, shoot it while its under a bit of power and at a comfortable distance where you have a reasonable pattern. The closer it is although tempting mean you are shooting a very smaller pattern at it.