Hayden Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hi All Was after some advice! I have a 12 month old cocker who up until a couple of months ago was really quite obedient, would stick quite close and always come back, but now it seems that she's realised that disappearing off into the sunset is much more fun than hanging around with me!! What can I do to keep her with me? It seems that the urge of chasing rabbits/pheasants on walks has become so stong she just disapears off! Cheers Hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 shock collar, used in a sensible manner and the right hands. Some people will obviously disagree, but it will create a boundry Limit, but replace after a short while with a normal collar, the dog will think he or she still has the shock collar on and will be very wary about how far to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 It seems that the urge of chasing rabbits/pheasants on walks has become so stong she just disapears off! Give more training and less opportunity to misbehave; manage the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipper33 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hi, Tried the static collar on my cocker. She always came back to the wistle and would walk to heel but you would have to keep telling her. got it one on Friday 16th October, Saturday she nearly tripped me up as she was so close, only pressed the button once on number two (goes up to 8) and now she will not run off to far and when told to heel ONCE!! she stay there. As pervious said, if used correctly and not in anger, they are fine. she is still a happy dog it has not effected her one bit and we all get to walk along together and i don't have to worry. This has stopped her being attacked as last on Sunday 18th (2 days after i got it) we were walking towards a pond, which she would have normally run off too, but did not because of the collar, as we got there a lady had two staff's off the lead as soon as she saw poppy, she quickly got hold of one and then called another out of the long grass (she had three dogs) which she quickly got hold off, then a puppy pointer can over and two of the staff's went for it. if poppy had been running off as normal she would have run over to them to say hello, and god know what would have happened. The best £120.00 i have spent!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWD Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Give more training and less opportunity to misbehave; manage the environment. This works wonders..sometimes you look around you and think..yep see why that happend ..If you have trouble keeping the dog away from bother..then keep bother away from the dog whilest you train it it makes a massive difference to the dogs concentration..tis why libarys are so quiet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Thanks for the tips everyone. I'll try and train away from distractions and keep her on the lead when in fields with rabbits etc. I've seen people on here mention long lines, would this help at all? Out of interest Kipper, which collar did you buy? I do wonder whether I have the same type of dog as you, as she will walk to heel etc but needs constant reminders!! Thanks again everyone - Much appreciated! Cheers Hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plinker Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 go back and work on her recall ever day ,dont give her an inch if she does not come back ,go and fetch her back but dont tell her off when she doe eventally return, encourage her when she is coming back and give her the grumpy voice when she is going away. as for shock collars, dont bother, if you cant be ***** to train her yourself send her to someone who can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack123 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 chasing rabbits/pheasants on walks .. the dog is to yong to be seeing game yet ..... go rigth back to a bit land with no game sent and start agen .. get all traning rigth before you let a dog round rabbits the getting a dog to stop and come back is number 1 in the tranning .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack123 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 the coller is for people that did the job rong .... the wistle is all you need the dog is 12 mouths old at 15 to 18 mouths with all training to a T then i take my dog out hunting but then 3 or 4 picks thats all .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack123 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 the coller is for people that did the job rong .... the wistle is all you need the dog is 12 mouths old at 15 to 18 mouths with all training to a ( T ) then i take my dog out hunting but then 3 or 4 picks thats all .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v-max Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Give more training and less opportunity to misbehave; manage the environment. That is spot on & as said in another replie you see dogs & handlers & see i know how it dose/done that so trainer error. Hi, Tried the static collar on my cocker. She always came back to the wistle and would walk to heel but you would have to keep telling her. got it one on Friday 16th October, Saturday she nearly tripped me up as she was so close, only pressed the button once on number two (goes up to 8) and now she will not run off to far and when told to heel ONCE!! she stay there. As pervious said, if used correctly and not in anger, they are fine. she is still a happy dog it has not effected her one bit and we all get to walk along together and i don't have to worry. This has stopped her being attacked as last on Sunday 18th (2 days after i got it) we were walking towards a pond, which she would have normally run off too, but did not because of the collar, as we got there a lady had two staff's off the lead as soon as she saw poppy, she quickly got hold of one and then called another out of the long grass (she had three dogs) which she quickly got hold off, then a puppy pointer can over and two of the staff's went for it. if poppy had been running off as normal she would have run over to them to say hello, and god know what would have happened. The best £120.00 i have spent!!! Yes the collers are great & as you said in the right hands & used right but i feel you have lost your self as you seem to be working your dog with coller on & this is not its intendid use. try & train your dog first & you might find you dont need the coller. I know there are odd extreme cases of young dogs needing it but really back to basics would do. Older dogs that have gainned wize to you & or your handling & after seeing other bad dogs are the best for these collers you but back into place as they can get like a trial wize dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayfly36 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 That is spot on & as said in another replie you see dogs & handlers & see i know how it dose/done that so trainer error. Yes the collers are great & as you said in the right hands & used right but i feel you have lost your self as you seem to be working your dog with coller on & this is not its intendid use. try & train your dog first & you might find you dont need the coller. I know there are odd extreme cases of young dogs needing it but really back to basics would do. Older dogs that have gainned wize to you & or your handling & after seeing other bad dogs are the best for these collers you but back into place as they can get like a trial wize dog. And right again, the collar is only if the handler or trainer has made mistakes, and find it hard to correct the dog. Although it is a deterrent, its only a temporary measure, once the dog had felt the shock, its very likely they will remember the experience. The collar should not be worn by the dog on normal training or walking, the whole idea is to get the dog to work without the aid off a shock collar. They are clever, if you leave it on for most training exercise, they will know when its not on and will try to play you, its this stage that verbal and whistle commands are the shock replacement. Its being firm whenever the dog steps out off place, correcting the very first time they step out off line is crucial to the dogs training, and it must be done everytime, don't let one misbehavior go uncorrected, you have to correct all instances, shock collar is a last resort and as said a temporary measure. Be Firm, but reward your dog don't let him fear you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Posted October 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi all Thanks for all your tips, it's much appreciated! I'll go back to the start and train again. I think we must have got a little slack as she was good up until a couple of months ago! Cheers Hayden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi all Thanks for all your tips, it's much appreciated! I'll go back to the start and train again. I think we must have got a little slack as she was good up until a couple of months ago! Cheers Hayden She's also maturing mate, growing out of the puppy adoration of you as lord and master and realising there's potentially more to life - this is where the conditioning stops and properly administered and disciplined, consistent training will be pay dividends in the long term. A collar will correct faults and bring an unruly dog back into line, I have no issue with their use in this context, but if the groundwork is done properly you won't need one... trust me, I've been through it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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