Any CPSA Skeet ref's here?

[JonD]

Hi,

 

Are any of you skeet ref's? i'm thinking of doing the ref's course next year.

 

I know i can learn the (exact) rules but wondered if the course gives you advice on interpretation, experience etc?

 

In the last couple of regd's i have shot i pulled the trigger therefore accepted the bird, at the BO it didn't make a difference but hit my confidence for the rounds after. On Sunday i got distracted by a fragment from the next range as i had just called and thought it was a no bird from the high, then spotted it as it was 6ft from the low house then a rush back for the low... missed both.

 

On both occasions the ref has said if you hadn't shot i would have called no bird but i can't call it, the worst i can say if you refuse a bird is no. I know it's inexperience that i pulled the trigger.

 

Interested to get the opinion of any ref's on here, i know the payment is minimal if you do ref a round.

 

Cheers,

 

Jon.

[clayman]

On the course you will have a classroom in the morning on the rules and interpretations, then in the afternoon the attendees will form a squad for an on-range practical, and you will be asked in turn to shoot "faults" ( or a tutor's range assistant will do this). Each candidate will ref in turn on a rotation through all the common situations, and some of the less common ones as well - and will be asked to referee the results. The rest observe and then have their chance for comment and discussion. The Tutor will apply his/her interpretation and reasons. At the end of the day you sit an exam on the rules and knowledge. The standard is high, you need 48/50 to pass on the questions.

[JonD]

On the course you will have a classroom in the morning on the rules and interpretations, then in the afternoon the attendees will form a squad for an on-range practical, and you will be asked in turn to shoot "faults" ( or a tutor's range assistant will do this). Each candidate will ref in turn on a rotation through all the common situations, and some of the less common ones as well - and will be asked to referee the results. The rest observe and then have their chance for comment and discussion. The Tutor will apply his/her interpretation and reasons. At the end of the day you sit an exam on the rules and knowledge. The standard is high, you need 48/50 to pass on the questions.

 

Thanks Clayman

 

The fact that there is a practical element to it is good, do you know if it's possible to shadow a ref at a registered to get an idea what's involved? obviously not to comment but to observe?

 

Does the course cover just ESK or does it include SKD or are they separate courses?

 

Cheers,

 

Jon.

Edited September 21, 2010 by JonD

[clayman]

Thanks Clayman

 

The fact that there is a practical element to it is good, do you know if it's possible to shadow a ref at a registered to get an idea what's involved? obviously not to comment but to observe?

 

Does the course cover just ESK or does it include SKD or are they separate courses?

 

Cheers,

 

Jon.

 

Covers both ESK and SKD

 

Mentoring is possible, but you will need to make that as a private arrangement at a skeet club near you. NCSC always good to ask. EJC has skeet.

 

If you are a regular ESK reg shooter, you should have the gist of what's needed by now from simple involvement and observation - if you are new to it, get in a few more comps.

 

Talk to your County Committee, see what help they can suggest - when is their county championship? Get involved. Follow the Inter-counties Team. The more you see, the more you do, the more you learn.

 

JPY SE Region Courses Co-ordinator

[paulos]

 

My suggestion would be to try and latch on to one or two of the top skeet shooters and shoot round with them. They know the rules inside out and you will soon pick up the subtleties of the game by watching them. Just don't go high-fiving one another after 25 straights though - it looks silly and makes me feel angry and violent

[hillmouse]

I think you would enjoy the Refereeing Courses and learn much from them.

 

The classroom session not only goes over the exact wording of the rules and the interpretation but you get a good insight in to real world interpretation too.

Usually there will be a good group of candidates with a lot of practical experience and anecdotes to exchange. Hearing everyones tales from various incidents helps you to be aware of many situations that can happen when refereeing.

 

The on range session is usually great fun, if somewhat nerve wracking, and actually doing the practical refereeing and learning to observe the faults and learn how to deal with the situation and what information and warnings or penalties you can give to the shooter is a very good experience.

 

The exam is a subjective paper at the moment so you have to write the answer based on what you have learnt. It covers both the General Rules and procedures and also the Technical Rules specific to each discipline.

The on range session will help to make a huge amount of the written information clear. Some of the situations only really make sense when you actually see them happen.

 

I have done Sporting,DTL and ABT (passed that one yesterday) so far with Skeet still to do.

 

Apart from gaining your referees certificates and badges you meet some good people. Yesterdays group contained several experienced shots, at least two England Internationals, 2 ground managers, a course setter and three coaches plus an incredible gentleman aged 80 who was taking his exam and also a fantastic ABT shot and a real character with a wealth of recollections, all of great interest.

 

£60-00 well spent.

 

You won't get rich from refereeing but you can put a lot back in to the sport by doing it.

[JonD]

I think you would enjoy the Refereeing Courses and learn much from them.

 

The classroom session not only goes over the exact wording of the rules and the interpretation but you get a good insight in to real world interpretation too.

Usually there will be a good group of candidates with a lot of practical experience and anecdotes to exchange. Hearing everyones tales from various incidents helps you to be aware of many situations that can happen when refereeing.

 

The on range session is usually great fun, if somewhat nerve wracking, and actually doing the practical refereeing and learning to observe the faults and learn how to deal with the situation and what information and warnings or penalties you can give to the shooter is a very good experience.

 

The exam is a subjective paper at the moment so you have to write the answer based on what you have learnt. It covers both the General Rules and procedures and also the Technical Rules specific to each discipline.

The on range session will help to make a huge amount of the written information clear. Some of the situations only really make sense when you actually see them happen.

 

I have done Sporting,DTL and ABT (passed that one yesterday) so far with Skeet still to do.

 

Apart from gaining your referees certificates and badges you meet some good people. Yesterdays group contained several experienced shots, at least two England Internationals, 2 ground managers, a course setter and three coaches plus an incredible gentleman aged 80 who was taking his exam and also a fantastic ABT shot and a real character with a wealth of recollections, all of great interest.

 

£60-00 well spent.

 

You won't get rich from refereeing but you can put a lot back in to the sport by doing it.

 

Thanks Hillmouse!

 

I look forward to doing the course and am not doing it to make money or badges, mainly to add to my knowledge bank and if the club need a ref.

 

Jon.