n9luke Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) Found info on another thread, thanks for advice Edited October 12, 2010 by n9luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I wouldn't tell the police about the bit where you broke the law buy borrowing your mates gun! Say you went clay shooting. If you have secure storage and a clean record you should have no problems. Good luck! BTW buy a bigger cabinet than you think you need - you'll fill it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n9luke Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I wouldn't tell the police about the bit where you broke the law buy borrowing your mates gun! Say you went clay shooting. If you have secure storage and a clean record you should have no problems. Good luck! BTW buy a bigger cabinet than you think you need - you'll fill it! forgot to put that i was with him whilst using his gun, stood about 10 yards from him thanks for the advice mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hucky Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 hi all, basically im relatively new to shooting and only 19 years old, my first experience of it was around 6 months ago when a friend took me to one of his permissions and I used a gun of his on the pidgeons, after that ive been 3 or 4 times and got really hooked, now I have bought my own shotgun (aya o/u 12) and want to be able to keep it at mine, join a clay club to free up some space in my mates cabinet and for other reasons, so basically whats my chances of being given a license? a few people have told me that i wouldnt have any problems as theres no reason the police could deny me one, any advice would be appreciated cheers luke I wouldn't shout about this either - I assume its on your mates license ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrymallard Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 it should be farely easy providing you have no health issues and have no criminal convictions. I am 18 and i got my shotgun liscense last year which entitled me to use the guns on my dads liscense. Now all i have to do is get it upgraded so i can shoot vermin(apparantly you can shoot vermin until your 18 in NI) and get my guns transfered onto my own liscense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Good idea to go and have a couple of clay lessons while waiting for the peperwork. It will teach you good gun handling and safety, as well as making you a better shot. The AYA is of course your friends gun which he has agreed to give you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n9luke Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I wouldn't shout about this either - I assume its on your mates license ? yeah officially its his, i just use it whenever im with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 yeah officially its his, i just use it whenever im with him Yes but you are not legally allowed to! You can use the landowners gun [or occupiers gun] on his own land under his supervision. This doesn't apply to someone just with permission to shoot. Crazy but you can legally use a firearm if supervised by the certificate holder even if not the landowner/occupier. You could use his gun at a clay ground with a section 11 exemption. I know people let others use their shotguns but legally they are not allowed. Not sure how much of a dim view a FEO would take to these confessions at interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Yes but you are not legally allowed to! You can use the landowners gun [or occupiers gun] on his own land under his supervision. This doesn't apply to someone just with permission to shoot. Crazy but you can legally use a firearm if supervised by the certificate holder even if not the landowner/occupier. often wondered about that myself. how does mentoring work then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 often wondered about that myself. how does mentoring work then? Only come across mentoring with firearms, not shotguns. You can let someone else use your firearms, just not your shotgun. That's how crazy the law is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) Only come across mentoring with firearms, not shotguns. You can let someone else use your firearms, just not your shotgun. That's how crazy the law is. Its debatable though, isn't it legal to use the 'occupiers' gun? One could argue that by having permission you are an occupier? “ Section 11(5) of the 1968 Act allows an individual, without holding a shot gun certificate, to borrow a shot gun from the occupier of private premises and use it on those premises in the occupier’s presence. The presence of the occupier is normally taken to mean within sight and earshot of the individual borrowing the firearm. The term “occupier” is not defined in the Firearms Acts, nor has a Court clarified its meaning. However, the Firearms Consultative Committee in their 5th Annual report recommended that the provisions of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 be adopted. This states that ‘“occupier” in relation to any land, other than the foreshore, includes any person having any right of hunting, shooting, fishing or taking game or fish’. In the absence of any firm definition for firearms purposes, it is suggested that each chief officer of police may wish to make use of this definition.” I would of thought if you have permission to shoot and be on the private land from the owner you constitute an occupier. Edited October 13, 2010 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Only come across mentoring with firearms, not shotguns. You can let someone else use your firearms, just not your shotgun. That's how crazy the law is. i didnt know that. i thought it applied to both! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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