mark@mbb Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Are foxes classed as vermin if so i have fox on my 223 can i class that as shooting vermin Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouch valley Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Yes fox's are classed as vermin and you can shoot them with your 223 if you have a vermin condition on your FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted February 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 No mate i didnt say that i said i have fox does that mean i can shoot vermin if foxes are classed as vermin Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) No, you would not be able to shoot vermin unless you had that condition. Also seeing your other thread in which you say that your firearms licensing manager refuses to condition your .223 for vermin trying this on would get you in deep trouble. Edited February 16, 2011 by CharlieT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark@mbb Posted February 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I have to cover every angle charlie before i write in and complain it sems to be a big problem in my area mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Are they not adopting the ACPO guideline wording of "any other legal quarry"? If you like you can point out I had a .243 which, before the ACPO wording was specifically conditioned for bunny bashing. Made life much easier - deer, fox and if it's quiet, beat the snot out of the rabbit population! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Just as an aside, to alot of Police area forces vermin and fox are regarded as two separate entities. In my area, if you have vermin only on your FAC and you shoot a fox, then technically you are in breach of your FAC conditions. In other areas, forces class fox as vermin in the same group as rats and rabbits. With the general concensus that HM Government would like to see less guns in the hands of civilians, it is up to all FAC holders to know what their Police areas regard as vermin. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 As Charlie says no you cannot take fox as having a vermin condition. My force worded mine as pest control which seems to cover everything except deer which is separate. In your case you have two options, the first is to fight it and the second is to just keep quiet and do it. I'm not really advocating the second option but it is there and the likelihood of being stopped and conditions checked is extremely slim but is still there. Only defense if you did decide to go that way is to mix up the expanding ammo and rifle conditions as an "honest" mistake. The only reason that that option appeals is the system is ridiculous as is when Firearms departments just make up non sensible rules which means conditions are a postcode lottery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 As Charlie says no you cannot take fox as having a vermin condition. My force worded mine as pest control which seems to cover everything except deer which is separate. In your case you have two options, the first is to fight it and the second is to just keep quiet and do it. I'm not really advocating the second option but it is there and the likelihood of being stopped and conditions checked is extremely slim but is still there. Only defense if you did decide to go that way is to mix up the expanding ammo and rifle conditions as an "honest" mistake. The only reason that that option appeals is the system is ridiculous as is when Firearms departments just make up non sensible rules which means conditions are a postcode lottery The only problem with that al4x is that the OP has had discussions with his FEO on the subject and has been told categorically by his FEO that his Licensing Manager will not under any circumstances condition his .223 for vermin. He may only use it for fox. Having been told that, a note of which will be on his file, it would be very difficult to argue that he made an honest mistake. C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Having just been through all of this with Durham Constabulary (they won,t recognise any legal quarry)i would advise you to compile a letter stating your reasons for needing the vermin condition on your cert. What at first seemed like a huge obstacle,turned out,with a few minor hurdles to be quite a smooth process.Making your request in writing rather than by phone is far more productive.. up here anyway. I did however get in writing from 2 landowners,good reason,which was Corvids at lambing time to help and ended up with not only vermin,but a shooting birds condition also. Another thing,don,t bother asking BASC for any guidance as they were useless. Mike Everleigh dealt with my case and all he did was ask me to compile a letter and e-mail it to him. He stated he would amend it so as to give me the best chance of obtaining my conditions..all he did was cut great swathes from it and send it back making absoluteley no sense at all. To which i sent in the original letter and got all i applied for. Good luck with your application Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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