Lewis F Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Hi all, i have had my springer spainel for 2 years now which is used for beating,and dont get me wrong could'nt be happier with her! the one thing i fault her on which is just personal prefference is her range when she does get on a scent she will stick to it and go of which i dont mind but, but then she will come back to me and stick rather close just wondering if there is any one on this forum who can help me on how to get her to "if you like" venture further out? any advice will be great. thanks lewis F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Have you trained her from a pup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Yeah i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Yeah i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 how far does she venture out while hunting up a scent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Sounds like a confidence issues, anticipating a reprimand for taking a line on scent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Darren, she will go out a rather long way I can't give the exact distance sorry, but when she found the bird/rabbit etc she won't go out as far the next time she picks up on a scent. WGD, in what sort of context do you mean reprimand? Sorry for asking. Thanks for your replies so far!! Much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Steve, she is trained on the whistle, she is dead on with commands i can ask to do pretty much anything and she will put 110% in. The only other working dog she does get to go out with is a terrier, theres not many people shoot were i live which is annoyance so she doesnt get to get out with other dogs as often as i would like apart from when we go beating. thanks a lot!! Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Lewis, does your springer quarter when she's hunting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 pegleg, she does quarter when were out even if i havent given her the command to do so, she does work very much like a field trial dog which to be honest with you isnt how i would like her to work. steve, thanks very much for the reassurance!! i live in the south east bit to far for me to drive out to but thatnks very much for the kind offer!! do you think it would be a good idea to maybe go to some gundog training classes to allow her to be with some more dogs ? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Lewis if she's quartering like a trial dog thats good, if she does it on the whistle even better .I don't mean to be disrepectful but the majority of beating dog's aren't trained and run over alot of game.The reason you don't see trialling lads beating is because the other dog's run the whole line unruly.I'm not knocking it, if thats what you want that's fine. Something i would try to get her working further out (but flat).Find some stock/rabbit fence, the posts are usually about 2mtrs apart.Place a dummy about 3mtrs to your right and the same to your left, let the dog see them.Start quartering your dog but turn her on the 2mtr post before the dummies (if she gets to the dummies first don't tell her off), if you can get someone to help you'll find it easier as dog's are faster .Once you are both comfortable with this go into some cover with scent!! and throw the dummies out with the wind into your face but about 30 yrds infront of you.Quarter your dog upto the dummies.If she winds them and breaks for them tell her off before she gets to them and keep her flat.Once you both get this, work out a route through some cover full of scent.Spread your dummies at what ever distance you want your dog to work apart leaving them at ten to twelve and ten past twelve leaving a zig zag pattern and work your dog through it. It sounds as if your dog needs to find some confidence hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 pegleg, i did not look at it from that perspective!! she does quarter like a natural and has got a nice patteren which a few people have commented on and said is really good and she does turn on the whistle!the only reason i started this thread was because at my last shoot i went on this guy said to me my dog works like a field trial dog and said it in a manner that wasnt overly nice which i did take to heart i am only 16 and this is the first dog ive been able to train for shooting so i am still learning whats good and whats not!! because when i go beating and there dogs are runing off and my dog quarters like 10, 15 yards out i was just wondering why she isnt going of with them if that makes sense. thank you very much!! you have put my mind at rest!! lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 pegleg, i did not look at it from that perspective!! she does quarter like a natural and has got a nice patteren which a few people have commented on and said is really good and she does turn on the whistle!the only reason i started this thread was because at my last shoot i went on this guy said to me my dog works like a field trial dog and said it in a manner that wasnt overly nice which i did take to heart i am only 16 and this is the first dog ive been able to train for shooting so i am still learning whats good and whats not!! because when i go beating and there dogs are runing off and my dog quarters like 10, 15 yards out i was just wondering why she isnt going of with them if that makes sense. thank you very much!! you have put my mind at rest!! lewis Sounds to me like you've trained your dog very well .In that case if your dog is KC registered why not join a club and do some working tests?.Trust me if your dog works close keep it close, anyone can have a dog that works miles infront if you have time it won't hurt to have a couple 1-2-1 lessons with a good gundog trainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 thanks a lot mate! yeah i am really pleased with her her! thanks for the reasurence! i have considered doing a test with her but i dont know how you go about it? she is kc registered can you recomend any clubs for me? and yeah ive been thinking about having some lessons over the summer the closest trainer to me i believe is tawnyhill gundogs i have been on there site and it looks really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Sounds to me like you've trained your dog very well .In that case if your dog is KC registered why not join a club and do some working tests?.Trust me if your dog works close keep it close, anyone can have a dog that works miles infront if you have time it won't hurt to have a couple 1-2-1 lessons with a good gundog trainer thanks a lot mate! yeah i am really pleased with her her! thanks for the reasurence! i have considered doing a test with her but i dont know how you go about it? she is kc registered can you recomend any clubs for me? and yeah ive been thinking about having some lessons over the summer the closest trainer to me i believe is tawnyhill gundogs i have been on there site and it looks really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Wherw abouts are you? If you go on the KC site you can down load a PDF file that lats you know all the gundog clubs and societies.There is a small fee to join but if you're interested in training a dog it's well worth the money.And if anyone say's training dogs is expensive you've never really looked into it.I know of two socialising groups that are very cheap, £2/£3's for 2hrs+ with a bit of retrieving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 steve, a lot of people i go beating with arnt in my area but i could try and get hold of them to see if there up for a walk they all seem willingly to help with problems. yeah ive seen some of the prices of these training days and they are a bit pricy!! so how do you think i can make her more confidant a lot more praise? pegleg, i am in the south east a town called walmer? im not really worried to much about the cost as you said its well worth it! ill get straight on there and get that file!! were abouts is that socializing class? Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 ok, thanks a lot steve better start finding people in my area who also work there dogs!! yeah completely true as long as the dog is enjoying what he/she is doing you cant really fault them!! just want to say thanks for every one that has helped me with my predicament!! very much appreciated! Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 lewis your dog sounds spot on mate , quartering at 10/15 yards is perfect in most cover. keeping the dog close while beating is the hardest thing to do once it knows there is a scent up ahead. if your dog is close then it cant be blamed for flushing the line too soon , as long as its working your ground in a reasonable pattern i would be pleased Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis F Posted April 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 lewis your dog sounds spot on mate , quartering at 10/15 yards is perfect in most cover. keeping the dog close while beating is the hardest thing to do once it knows there is a scent up ahead. if your dog is close then it cant be blamed for flushing the line too soon , as long as its working your ground in a reasonable pattern i would be pleased thanks a lot for the advice darren! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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