Ackley Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 If the chap who slaughtered and prep your steak didnt follow proper hydiene rules you could get crook from not incinerating yr steak,oh and cookin food doesnt alway guarantee its safe. As for Natural England all I get is expenses but I get the deer (never bother claiming nowt, highseats on Deer initiative loan and its not far away,venison sale covers more than my costs) as i said earlire I was out with a butcher last weekend,we were talking about meat and what to do with it,he said they hang a rib joint untill green (for there own consumtion) trim it off and cook it.now I ve been told a few time by a few butchers best way to treat a steak is to leav it in the bottom of the fridge untill black and your finger sticks to it,then it ready to eat,I will say again far far to clinical nowerdays,no wonder out emune systen is messed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 as i said earlire I was out with a butcher last weekend,we were talking about meat and what to do with it,he said they hang a rib joint untill green (for there own consumtion) trim it off and cook it.now I ve been told a few time by a few butchers best way to treat a steak is to leav it in the bottom of the fridge untill black and your finger sticks to it,then it ready to eat,I will say again far far to clinical nowerdays,no wonder out emune systen is messed up My grandad apparently hung pheasant until the head fell off, not for me. Ageing meat and proper hygiene are two differant subjects olde mate but totally agree to alot of this clinical stuff,especially with children. Watched an interesting programme on the idiot box a few years back about Chrones disease, apparently were suffers antibodies attack their own gut so some american specialist in these areas introduced worms into the gut which helped. My apologie to any Chrone disease suffers if I have this totally wrong, just going from memory. Still the facts are we are living much longer these days, so gralloch well and live long or burry your head in the carcass and have a good snuffle around in the green stuff and take yr chances,whatever floats yr boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 My grandad apparently hung pheasant until the head fell off, not for me. Ageing meat and proper hygiene are two differant subjects olde mate but totally agree to alot of this clinical stuff,especially with children. Watched an interesting programme on the idiot box a few years back about Chrones disease, apparently were suffers antibodies attack their own gut so some american specialist in these areas introduced worms into the gut which helped. My apologie to any Chrone disease suffers if I have this totally wrong, just going from memory. Still the facts are we are living much longer these days, so gralloch well and live long or burry your head in the carcass and have a good snuffle around in the green stuff and take yr chances,whatever floats yr boat. a bit of muck on a carcass isnt going to make any difference,I knew a chap years ago they called him "gut shot Ken" he carried a roll of kitchen towel with him to clean out the carcass, young man Ive been out with many a pro stalker (I use that term loosly) who open the beast get there bare hands in pull, out the guts rope it up and drag it back, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) My grandad apparently hung pheasant until the head fell off, not for me. Ageing meat and proper hygiene are two differant subjects olde mate but totally agree to alot of this clinical stuff,especially with children. Watched an interesting programme on the idiot box a few years back about Chrones disease, apparently were suffers antibodies attack their own gut so some american specialist in these areas introduced worms into the gut which helped. My apologie to any Chrone disease suffers if I have this totally wrong, just going from memory. Still the facts are we are living much longer these days, so gralloch well and live long or burry your head in the carcass and have a good snuffle around in the green stuff and take yr chances,whatever floats yr boat. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that threadworm, or at least one of the enzymes they produce to remain unhindered in the gut, also combats asthma and that it is mans obsession with sterility that has caused asthma rates in children to rise dramatically. I have 4 kids, all have asthma, 2 severely. When I was a kid, I can't remember anyone at school having asthma, now they all seem to have it! Perhaps nature intended us to have symbiotic relationships with a lot of the things we are desparate to get rid of and all we are doing in our endless persuit of clenliness is harming ourselves? Edited February 19, 2012 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 To what? in relation to what? Driving or stalking? As regards the former i have been driving for 26 yrs covered an average in access of 30k a year from cars to lorries have had two accidents and three speeding fines (not easy to avoid when you doing that milage in unfamiluar circumstances) these are mistakes! To openly disregard the highway code and think your fully experianced and no better is just dumb and also against the law! I certainly have such a large ammount of extra experiance over you in stalking that it aint even worth going further on that one. Guess what i make mistakes thier also - again i do not disregard what i have learnt and take my responsibilities seriously. highway code bit. im not going to start explaining it but no one follows the highway code to the best of there ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 How did you get involved with NE Red? Got lucky really Vipa, have been involved with deer for while though only been shooting them myself for afew years. NE's deer culling chap was finding it hard to reach cull figures and extract carcasses due to age and health, I knew him from a deer society and as I was local and had DSC1 he put me forward.Ackley is totally right of course about paperwork and experience but its the way it is, I have to carry a first aid kit etc, do risk accessment and install highseats with chains,locks and access warning signs.Very anal but hey, I have 140acres of tough but productive shooting. What has amazed me is the knock on effect from NE, if people know your shooting for them they assume you know what your doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 a bit of muck on a carcass isnt going to make any difference,I knew a chap years ago they called him "gut shot Ken" he carried a roll of kitchen towel with him to clean out the carcass, young man Ive been out with many a pro stalker (I use that term loosly) who open the beast get there bare hands in pull, out the guts rope it up and drag it back, A gut shot carcass, whilst not fit for the food chain is fine as long as it is rinsed out well. I wouldn't make sauseges or burgers (anything that requires mincing) out of the meat on a GC carcass as any nasty bacteria then gets everywhere and becomes dangerous BUT as long as it is peices of meat, any nasties stay just on the surface and are killed very quickly in the cooking process... Any thing that can survive exposure to my Weber Q deserves to live!!! I like my steaks rare... still bleeding the wife likes 'em blue! :blink: And asked a chef at a local VERY top end restaurant why it was so difficult to get Steak Tartare and yet anywhere will do a blue steak. The answer was as above, even a steak cooked blue will have enough heat applied to the surface for long enough to kill everything... with Tartare, as well as it seeing no heat at all, anything on the surface is mixed everywhere so it is risky to serve up! Got lucky really Vipa, have been involved with deer for while though only been shooting them myself for afew years. NE's deer culling chap was finding it hard to reach cull figures and extract carcasses due to age and health, I knew him from a deer society and as I was local and had DSC1 he put me forward.Ackley is totally right of course about paperwork and experience but its the way it is, I have to carry a first aid kit etc, do risk accessment and install highseats with chains,locks and access warning signs.Very anal but hey, I have 140acres of tough but productive shooting. What has amazed me is the knock on effect from NE, if people know your shooting for them they assume you know what your doing I'm sure it's not just assumption Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 a bit of muck on a carcass isnt going to make any difference,I knew a chap years ago they called him "gut shot Ken" he carried a roll of kitchen towel with him to clean out the carcass, young man Ive been out with many a pro stalker (I use that term loosly) who open the beast get there bare hands in pull, out the guts rope it up and drag it back, If you genuinely think this and you really don't understand the difference between contamination and hanging a carcase (that cannot be done once it is cut up!) then may I suggest you go and do the DSC 1&2 and actually learn how to do things properly. When you end up giving someone E.coli septicaemia from your poor hygiene practices maybe you'll realise the error of your ways. You don't need to carry hot water, soap and a towel but you do need a pair of gloves for both yours and the carcases protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 There is a lot of evidence to suggest that threadworm, or at least one of the enzymes they produce to remain unhindered in the gut, also combats asthma and that it is mans obsession with sterility that has caused asthma rates in children to rise dramatically. I have 4 kids, all have asthma, 2 severely. When I was a kid, I can't remember anyone at school having asthma, now they all seem to have it! Perhaps nature intended us to have symbiotic relationships with a lot of the things we are desparate to get rid of and all we are doing in our endless persuit of clenliness is harming ourselves? But that not a deer shooters choice I'm afraid, the meat hygeine service have far more expertise than PW'ers. The loose evidence you speak of out weighs the infant and adult deaths from salmonella, Ecoli0157, campylobacter, trichonella infection etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) If you genuinely think this and you really don't understand the difference between contamination and hanging a carcase (that cannot be done once it is cut up!) then may I suggest you go and do the DSC 1&2 and actually learn how to do things properly. When you end up giving someone E.coli septicaemia from your poor hygiene practices maybe you'll realise the error of your ways. You don't need to carry hot water, soap and a towel but you do need a pair of gloves for both yours and the carcases protection. I always carry gloves and detol wipes... got laughed at by the last professional stalker i was out with, not because he didn't think it was a good idea but because he said he wished he was organised enough to remember to take things like that out. Bare hands and a rinse in the stream was good enough for him during gralloch. Back in the larder however, was a completely different matter But that not a deer shooters choice I'm afraid, the meat hygeine service have far more expertise than PW'ers. The loose evidence you speak of out weighs the infant and adult deaths from salmonella, Ecoli0157, campylobacter, trichonella infection etc etc From threadworm Edit to say... I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that there have never been any ecoli outbreaks that could be traced back to contaminated venison!? happy to be corrected on this one.. Edited February 19, 2012 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 If you genuinely think this and you really don't understand the difference between contamination and hanging a carcase (that cannot be done once it is cut up!) then may I suggest you go and do the DSC 1&2 and actually learn how to do things properly. When you end up giving someone E.coli septicaemia from your poor hygiene practices maybe you'll realise the error of your ways. You don't need to carry hot water, soap and a towel but you do need a pair of gloves for both yours and the carcases protection. did both 1 and 2 many years ago,always use gloves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 There is a lot of evidence to suggest that threadworm, or at least one of the enzymes they produce to remain unhindered in the gut, also combats asthma and that it is mans obsession with sterility that has caused asthma rates in children to rise dramatically. I have 4 kids, all have asthma, 2 severely. When I was a kid, I can't remember anyone at school having asthma, now they all seem to have it! Perhaps nature intended us to have symbiotic relationships with a lot of the things we are desparate to get rid of and all we are doing in our endless persuit of clenliness is harming ourselves? Its finding the right balance really isnt if Vipa, we do need some symbiotic relationships and exposer to threat to strengthen imunity but at the same time we do not want something that will can be fatal like ecoli ( which I was taught is carried in the deers green waste) There alot of 'wrongs' in this culture of prepacked supermarket everything,mans intelligence is only judged by his rules and really we aint got much of a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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