whippet Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 ive just got a application form for my certificate and i have filled all my details out but i am confused about the counter signiture part where it says you need a photo of yourself and the person who is doing the counter signature and also a bit where it says place right fee in envolope or do you need a firearms officer to come round first to check your premises any info would be great. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 You only need a photo of yourself and the person who is providing your counter signature must sign the photo to confirm that it is a true likeness of the applicant, put your money/cheque in the envelope with the application and post away they will contact you, in the meantime you may if you want install your cabinet in a suitable out of the way place or wait for the visiting FEO to advise you where to position it. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) The person who is providing the countersignature writes on the back of one photograph 'I certify that this is a true likeness of **name of applicant**', the date and then they sign it. They also read through and sign the application forms. I can't remember if you have to sign a photo yourself, it's been a while since I did one. You put a cheque in the envelope for the fee (£50) made payable to the police authority you are with. Give the application one last read through, make certain everything is filled in correctly and that any convictions, no matter how minor (including speeding tickets etc) are disclosed, then post it. I send it recorded delivery to make sure they receive it, they can lose them. The police then contact you (usually after cashing your cheque!) to arrange a visit, the Firearms Enquiry Officer (FEO) comes round and has a chat with you, tells you about gun safety and asks you a few questions about how to handle guns, and safe shot fallout distances etc. They will make sure you aren't a nutter who's dangerous to the public, check your cabinet if you've installed it (if you don't install one prior to the visit then they will come back to check it before they give you your certificate) and that's about it. How long it takes depends on which force you're with, anything from about 2 weeks to 6 months. Edited April 18, 2012 by bedwards1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 dont forget to sign one photo your self and date it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 dont forget to sign one photo your self and date it. You don't have to do that, unless they've changed something in the firearms rules recently. It would be pointless anyway, surely? What would it achieve? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 One photo to be signed by yourself as per notes for guidance on application form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 One photo to be signed by yourself as per notes for guidance on application form. I have a shotgun cert. I have not signed my own photo nor can I ever recall any notes telling me to do so. Can you post a link to where it tells me to do so? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) I have a shotgun cert. I have not signed my own photo nor can I ever recall any notes telling me to do so. Can you post a link to where it tells me to do so? J. Here you go My link Edited April 22, 2012 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 I have a shotgun cert. I have not signed my own photo nor can I ever recall any notes telling me to do so. Can you post a link to where it tells me to do so? J. It's there in the notes section of form 101&103 and North Yorks have a help sheet telling you what to do when applying for a SGC: CHECK LIST for returning your application [Fully completed Form 103 [4 identical photographs – you must sign one photograph with your usual signature and your countersignatory should endorse, date and sign a photograph. And copied from the notes on page 4 of 103: One of the photographs must be signed in ink, on the back with your usual signature. A second photograph should be endorsed on the back in ink by the countersignatory using the words given in the notes to Part D on page 3. http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=4946&p=0 Believe us now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 Yep, I have just looked over an actual application form I have to hand and it says that the applicant should sign one of the photos. However, I have never (and I have had both certs for well over 20 years), ever done this. Moreover; I am involved with two clubs as part of my living having hundreds (and I do mean literally hundreds) of members between them, yet I have never once heard of anyone actually signing the back of their own photo. Perhaps this is an actual legal requirement (it isn't mentioned in any of the Acts (to my knowledge)but may be in some SI somewhere), then again, perhaps it's just some invention of the home office which has no legal force? Either way - what is the point of it? How is the public safety advanced because you sign the back of your own photo? I strongly suspect though that it is not a legal requirement at all and is simply an invention of some pen-pusher somewhere. Even if it is a legal requirement then what is the worst case scenario? The cops are not going to refuse a grant or renewal because you have failed to sign a photo. Can anyone provide a link to the actual source of law on this? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted April 23, 2012 Report Share Posted April 23, 2012 Can anyone provide a link to the actual source of law on this? Can't even be ***** to look. I'll just continue to sign two pictures every 5 years, much less effort. I always thought it was silly having a referee sign a picture for a policeman to come out and see you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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