Northamptonclay Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) One of my very good friends had a little incident a few months ago and an altercation with another motorist near his home , the motorist followed him home and started harassing And threating him on his property, my friend is near retirement age and this chap harrasing him was 30 years his junior, it ended with my friend throwing him off the property, the police visited later and gave him a caution, this was a couple of months ago, he has now received a visit from the FEO for a chat and to advise him that they are warning him, he has held a sgc for many years and his renewal is due later this year, should this be cause for concern or will they see this as a one of isolated incident . Edited May 24, 2012 by Northamptonclay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 One of my very good friends had a little incident a few months ago and an altercation with another motorist near his home , the motorist followed him home and started harassing And threating him on his property, my friend is near retirement age and this chap harrasing him was 30 years his junior, it ended with my friend throwing him off the property, the police visited later and gave him a caution, this was a couple of months ago, he has now received a visit from the FEO for a chat and to advise him that they are warning him, he has held a sgc for many years and his renewal is due later this year, should this be cause for concern or will they see this as a one of isolated incident . If it were serious enough not to renew then it's serious enough to revoke his ticket over. If they haven't revoked it then I doubt they'd refuse his renewal. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonclay Posted May 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 That's what I was thinking, but is it easier to refuse renewal rather than revoke , paperwork wise . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 a caution for what??? on thing I learnt on the door is NEVER accept a caution for anything!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 One of my very good friends had a little incident a few months ago and an altercation with another motorist near his home , the motorist followed him home and started harassing And threating him on his property, my friend is near retirement age and this chap harrasing him was 30 years his junior, it ended with my friend throwing him off the property, the police visited later and gave him a caution, this was a couple of months ago, he has now received a visit from the FEO for a chat and to advise him that they are warning him, he has held a sgc for many years and his renewal is due later this year, should this be cause for concern or will they see this as a one of isolated incident . Well as he's been spoken to I'd expect the FEO to have given him a good idea whether it's going to be an issue come renewal or simply to not do it again. Depending on how he was thrown off the property, unless it seems that it was needlessly violent/over the top, and that he really lost his temper, I wouldn't think it'll be an issue. As JonathanL has pointed out, if they don't feel it's serious enough to revoke it after it's been investigated why would they refuse a renewal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundy Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Was it an "official caution" i.e he signed the paperwork explaining what the caution was for etc?? If not, forget it - it's just verbal advice, nothing goes on PNC (maybe an entry on the force recording database or whatever they use). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Am I right in thinking that if you accept a caution then it is an admission of guilt? But it has to be signed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundy Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 You have to "accept" the terms of a police caution, hence why the paperwork needs to be signed, you don't have to accept but then they may charge you... Clear and reliable admission of the offence is part of the criteria for issuing a simple caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 That's what I was thinking, but is it easier to refuse renewal rather than revoke , paperwork wise . Maybe. Point is though there is really only one reason to revoke and the same reason to not renew. That being that the person is a danger to public safety or the peace. If they refuse a renewal on that ground then it goes without saying that iheis a danger at present. In which case they must revoke the cert now! To not do so is essentially them saying that.'Sorry mate, you are a danger to the public but we're going to wait for your renewal to refuse you because it's less hassle that way'. Clearly then, they don't think he presents any danger so nothing is likely to happen come renewal time. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 Was it an "official caution" i.e he signed the paperwork explaining what the caution was for etc?? If not, forget it - it's just verbal advice, nothing goes on PNC (maybe an entry on the force recording database or whatever they use). Exactly. I don't think it's actually lawful to give a caution in a persons home. It has to be done at a police station, I think. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 You have to "accept" the terms of a police caution, hence why the paperwork needs to be signed, you don't have to accept but then they may charge you... Clear and reliable admission of the offence is part of the criteria for issuing a simple caution. Ah, the pivotal point is that the CPS will throw it out, thats why they offer caution after conversation with the gatekeeper. Nver accept police cautions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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