ThePestControllers Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Hello Does anyone have or know where to get UK versions of 12g shotgun reloading charts. i am after replicating Hull Hight Pheasant 30g 32g in 6,s cheers Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 you will never be able to buy the correct powder, as most industrial grade powders are unobtainable to the home / domestic reloader. there are equivalent powders though. vectan A1 is suitable for 32g loads at 1400fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) you will never be able to buy the correct powder, as most industrial grade powders are unobtainable to the home / domestic reloader. there are equivalent powders though. vectan A1 is suitable for 32g loads at 1400fps. Well said Cook! I learned this in 1962. The powder in the Eley Grand Prix looked different and the weight did not match my Eley loading charts for Nobel 60 powder. Years later, I was to witness the difference in commercial batches or 'lots', in the trade. We used to call the one pound and 500gram homeloading canisters 'idiot proof' powders. The 20kg drum powders of the same type were often different colour shades and required careful testing of doses to maintain ballistics. Edited May 28, 2013 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePestControllers Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 so is there english reloading chats that relate to our cartridges rather than the american ones like winchester for instance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 so is there english reloading chats that relate to our cartridges rather than the american ones like winchester for instance I think you'll find the "charts" you're finding are simply loads to go in a particular empty cartridge - not a replica load of what was once there. they're less easy to get hold of but load data is out there for European "hulls" (plastic tube generally). You can buy some from clay and game for a quid a sheet iirc but there's not a great deal on each sheet, you can also look on powder manufacturers' websites, hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) Ian Charlton of the original Clay and Game was a prolific re-loader and spent a small fortune on proofing his loads, he produced a CD of his loading data yearly. Even if you were to cut a cartridge and identify the powder it's not saying that you could replicate it. As Floating Chamber said bulk commercial powder can vary. we had to run the machine dry of powder, then fill with the next 'blend' and take a proof then 'pinch in' or 'pinch out' to maintain proof. So you won't get a manufacture to publish a re-load data. Take care Paladin Edited May 27, 2013 by Paladin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePestControllers Posted May 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 Thank you very much for your replies very informative. So i need to find a chart that matches my application. i will contact Clay and Game to buy the correct charts. cheers Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Well said Cook! I learned this in 1962. The powder in the Eley Grand Prix looked different and the weight did not match my Eley loading charts for Nobel 60 powder. Years later, I was to witness the difference in commercial batches or 'lots', in the trade. We used to call the one pound and 500gram canisters 'idiot proof' powders. The 20kg drum powders of the same type were often different colour shades and required careful testing of doses to maintain ballistics. thats one thing i`ve always wanted to do, witness cartridges being manufactured on an epic scale, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Ian Charlton of the original Clay and Game was a prolific re-loader and spent a small fortune on proofing his loads, he produced a CD of his loading data yearly. Even if you were to cut a cartridge and identify the powder it's not saying that you could replicate it. As Floating Chamber said bulk commercial powder can vary. we had to run the machine dry of powder, then fill with the next 'blend' and take a proof then 'pinch in' or 'pinch out' to maintain proof. So you won't get a manufacture to publish a re-load data. Take care Paladin Frustrating days, sometimes, Paladin! One 'flat'* at a time, in or out, accordingly, on the Vasinis or BSNs! Backwards and forwards to the test guns! Then, after a run, clean down and start all over again! * Hexagonal adjusters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) Hi cookoff013 I think that the nearest that you can understand production volumes is the video from The Proper Cartridge Company http://propercartridges.com Too true FC the amount of regulation with the powder slides used to wear the copper slug on the friction adjusters and that was a pain in the *** drilling them out, always had spare copper slugs in the bottom of my pockets. A full change over on a machine like the one at proper cartridges would take a little over 2 hours. One off the biggest headaches would be the packer, cardboard quality! Edited May 28, 2013 by Paladin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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