223?

[snipers eye]

hi all was thinking of getting me a 223 for fox,any suggestions?also please explain what is meant by twist,and bedding,thanks all.

[Livefast123]

Howa 1500, good rifle for a reasonable price.

 

Twist is the rate the rifling rotates the barrel at ie 1 in 12. The rifling rotates the barrel once every 12 inches.

 

Bedding is where you place a layer of material eg super steel in the stock and fit the action so that it creates an ultra stable mount for the action, helping accuracy.

Edited January 12, 2014 by Livefast123

[kent]

hi all was thinking of getting me a 223 for fox,any suggestions?also please explain what is meant by twist,and bedding,thanks all.

Good choice, very few need more. Twist is if you like the amount in inches a bullet needs to travel to turn a full 360 1-12" is slow twist the ideal for lighter 50-55 grn varmint bullets 1-8" a fast twist better for the 68 grn target bullets.

Bedding is the area of the stock were the metal work fits. Walnut and the like has more movement thermally and climate wise than a laminate, Carbon / Glass composite even less. You then have improvement of the fit or stability which is done by either synthetically bedding (adding a resin that dries / is molded to an exact fit of the action)or this with the addition of metal pillars around the action screws to further stabilise and prevent action screw torque changing with climate. Some rifles have Aluminium bedding blocks fitted to the stock from manufacture (The HS stock on the Remington PSS 700 for instance), these don't conform exactly to the action though do prevent climatic movement.

 

In all fairness most new shooters will not be able to outshoot a quality made factory .223 rem for quite some time. My suggestion is anything from 1-9 to 1-12 will do the job on foxes etc. and a laminate is the best stock option unless you want to spend on a high grade gun and way easier to get a nice bedding job done on than injection moulded plastic.

[snipers eye]

thanks lads for replies,so what range can i expect the take down a fox with a 223?, i have heard 300-400 yrds no problem,

[kent]

thanks lads for replies,so what range can i expect the take down a fox with a 223?, i have heard 300-400 yrds no problem,

That is 1. rare 2. the work of a much experienced shot. Time of flight at 400 yds means pretty much any shot at a standing fox is out and 300 yds is too great a distance at night to see the backdrop area is fully clear or to call the wind.

There is no doubt a .223 can kill foxes far further than that but its conditions and the shooter that dictates how far. No problem? who ever says that is but a dreaming fool.

I assume by "take down" you mean shoot or kill? It just sounds a little gung-ho! bit like something they might say in the action movies, no offence intended but be careful who you describe shooting stuff in that manner to

I suggest the furthest you can take the shot is the furthest you can place the first shot inside a 2-2 1/2" circle under the prevailing conditions, in that stance without a sighting shot. As I first timer I doubt you will be doing that to 200 yds for a while just yet

[snipers eye]

That is 1. rare 2. the work of a much experienced shot. Time of flight at 400 yds means pretty much any shot at a standing fox is out and 300 yds is too great a distance at night to see the backdrop area is fully clear or to call the wind.

There is no doubt a .223 can kill foxes far further than that but its conditions and the shooter that dictates how far. No problem? who ever says that is but a dreaming fool.

I assume by "take down" you mean shoot or kill? It just sounds a little gung-ho! bit like something they might say in the action movies, no offence intended but be careful who you describe shooting stuff in that manner to

I suggest the furthest you can take the shot is the furthest you can place the first shot inside a 2-2 1/2" circle under the prevailing conditions, in that stance without a sighting shot. As I first timer I doubt you will be doing that to 200 yds for a while just yet

yes by take down i do mean kill ,also during daytime,not night,have read posts of lads doing 300+ yard fox culling,i think 200 yrds would be about right to be sure of a humane kill,and you are right,i would be a 223 first timer,i do have a 22 and hmr,would like the 223 for fox.not to keen on using the hmr for fox,ok within 100yrds.

[kent]

yes by take down i do mean kill ,also during daytime,not night,have read posts of lads doing 300+ yard fox culling,i think 200 yrds would be about right to be sure of a humane kill,and you are right,i would be a 223 first timer,i do have a 22 and hmr,would like the 223 for fox.not to keen on using the hmr for fox,ok within 100yrds.

 

There is no guessing to your personal limits you need to test it remember single shot from the stance in question under the prevailing conditions no sighter.

[njc110381]

I don't like to shoot past 200 yards on living stuff. I have pulled off longer shots in perfect conditions but only when I've been very confident.

 

Generally when foxing my shots are taken at well under 200. I try to avoid that sort of range at night simply because everything gets more complicated then. Unless you have a shy one to shoot they'll generally come much closer than that anyway, so why chance it?

[bullet boy]

I will always advise to go for a Tikka T3 rifle because they are one superb rifle.I have one in a .22-250 calibre and I love it!!

ATB in whatever rifle you choose.