Vegeta Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Ok so I have been taken by the idea of getting a gen1 NV monocular and using it to identify charlie at night, with homemade IR lamp My question is how would people rate the Deben NV monoculars as some of them are a decent price on www.opticswarehouse.co.uk What other brands which offer decent quality for a decent price would you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted March 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 The thing you have to work out with NV first, before you look at anything else, is what are your expectations? For instance, even with a powerful IR cannon (like the one I made) with gen1 kit you simply can't accurately identify raynard past 60 yds. You can see eyes much much further out, and call them in for a closer look - but for longer range fox gen1 simply won't cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted March 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 What I want is the eye identification out to maybe 150 yards So I am looking for a gen1 monocular that will allow me to achieve this with an external IR source. Could you recommend any brands which are good. Budget is about 500 euro which is 320 pounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 50yard NV scope for the .22lr?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Yukon NVMT2 or Cobra optics Nemisis Both have head mounts available for them, some of the best Gen1 tubes in those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted March 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Decent I have sourced the Yukon on-line for 300 euro It will take about a month to save for it but all going well I will have one. 50yard NV scope for the .22lr?? would be class but no, I intend to use it to determine if there is a fox on his way in before using the lightforce. There are quite a few lamp shy foxes around my way and near my brothers place. We met two on monday night. First field we called in a dog and vixen came in. They came into about 90 yards before we turned on the lamp. As soon as we turned on the lamp they fled and we got no shots. If I had the NV I could have identified the location of a potential fox, shine the lamp unfiltered in that direction and taken the shot if it was indeed a fox. It would save un-necessary use of the lamp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 If I were you I would do some more research, I know a bit about NV stuff but I am no expert. If I didn't already have my bargain bresser unit its probably one of those I would spend my money on though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted March 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 If I were you I would do some more research, I know a bit about NV stuff but I am no expert. If I didn't already have my bargain bresser unit its probably one of those I would spend my money on though. well you see I have a lend of a monocular from a friend and while it is not amazing, it does the job. I used it in the shed last night which is pitch black. It had a gold fish bowl image and the focus was a bit awkward as it was very light and was easily knocked out. I am going to try and build my own IR source and use my friends monocular before I make the plunge and purchase, just to prove the set up will work. I read the thread about making your own IR source and will be experimenting in the coming month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Unless your gonna get them into s/g range before shooting i,d save ya money vegeta. Already tried it and with a Kite which allows us to watch the fox from easily 4/500yds out and thats seeing foxy not lighting his eyes.Getting him into about 70 yds but soon as lamp was switched on,even with filters attached he was off not allowing time for the shot ... if they,re shy they,re still gonna be off.Even tried it at a sheep carcass,they were feeding and still wouldn,t hold. I ended up investing in an archer NV scope but that was £1400...brilliant bit of kit,shot one at about 170yds on Weds night,infra red lit him up no probs...2 bright eyes and could see his whole body shape so no guessing,had him side on,hit him through the heart dropped where he stood and was still facing the same way.Like i said good kit but not cheap. Laser for mine is about £250 i was told,mind you it attaches straight to the farmers £99 NV from Liddle and he can spot fox at 200yds with this combo. Your looking at at least £1000 for a gen 2 scope . Good luck though and hope this helps you. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted March 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Thanks GH some food for thought there. I suppose if I scrape together all my pennies for the next 6 months I might be able to get the attachment like yours. I know you have had succes with it but how would you rate it in terms of ease of use and picture clarity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 "I know you have had succes with it but how would you rate it in terms of ease of use and picture clarity?" As the advert says ...spot attach and shoot! Once it,s set up,which is not hard to do,very simple,the only drawback i,ve found is when u spot a fox and attach the NV you have a more restricted field of vision as your now looking through the scope. It,s trying to pick up it,s position again,ok if you,ve called it and it,s coming at u.But when you get 1 that seems on a mission to be somewhere,u can easily lose it. This is when 2 of you is more use as the other (who doesn,t need as powerful a nv,as you can track it till he picks it out) can direct you onto it as all image intensifiers(nv)will pick up the ir beam your emitting. Clarity differs depending on weather conditions,but have always been able to id them at 2 -300yds If i can help again just ask Cheers GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 One of those archer NV jobbies would work great at a bait station. Just wait for foxt to come into the bait, you wouldn't have much looking to do for him if you pick a good spot. Lamp shy foxes are a right PITA. Veg, would those two foxes you mentioned have come into shotgun range I wonder before you switched on the lamp? Could take them on the run in that case with shotgun mounts for the Lightforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Your right about the baiting John,this is what prompted me to get it in the first place. Haven,t tried it yet this year,but last year was getting a few with the lamp at the bait but what was frustrating was seeing fox 70yds away through the NV and then watching him run straight off soon as you put the lamp on. Also think it,ll be a benefit in the lambing fields where i,ll be able to watch without disturbing anything. Cheers GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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