naddan28 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Just had a good look through the older threads via forum search and couldn't find an answer so..... What range do you shoot your FAC Air Rifle over?? My neighbour has a 6oftlb+ rapid which he zero's at 80-90 and if I remember he shoots out to over 120yds, combination of good gun and brilliant shot! However, I have noticed most rifles on guntrader are around 25-30ftlbs so was wondering what ranges you get out of those and where do you zero? Thanks in advance, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I have a 36ft/lbs S10 and I zero to the same range as I did with a 12ft/lbs = 30yds. I have been having bash with it and at the moment have only been practising out to 50yds, but when you start going up to the super fac air rifle power of 50-80ft/lbs then I suppose you are close to rimfire power with the heavier pellets so the range would/could extend. I don't know anyone who personally has anything over 30ft/lbs so I can't comment but on Vol 4 Fred Carter series he is zeroing a Career 707 running @ 50ft/lbs out at 55yds. The Career he's using is adjustable and is capable of 80ft/lbs. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I have a 36ft/lbs S10 and I zero to the same range as I did with a 12ft/lbs = 30yds. I have been having bash with it and at the moment have only been practising out to 50yds, but when you start going up to the super fac air rifle power of 50-80ft/lbs then I suppose you are close to rimfire power with the heavier pellets so the range would/could extend. I don't know anyone who personally has anything over 30ft/lbs so I can't comment but on Vol 4 Fred Carter series he is zeroing a Career 707 running @ 50ft/lbs out at 55yds. The Career he's using is adjustable and is capable of 80ft/lbs. HTH Sorry for being a bit dim but surely if its 3 times the power of a normal air rifle it should easily be capable of 50yds? so you normally use it between 20-40yds i guess then? I am thinking that I will probably go for around 30ftlbs unless I get a rapid which I would CONSIDER pushing it up to 45+ bracket but not really air efficent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Sorry for being a bit dim but surely if its 3 times the power of a normal air rifle it should easily be capable of 50yds? so you normally use it between 20-40yds i guess then? I am thinking that I will probably go for around 30ftlbs unless I get a rapid which I would CONSIDER pushing it up to 45+ bracket but not really air efficent. It is easily capable at 50yds but I believe its a common misconception of the fac air rifle, i'm of the thinking its to be used to hit harder @ 30-35yds and not to shoot 3x times further. A rapid is capable of being pushed to god knows what same as the S10 but apparently they are more efficient running at 30ft/lbs. I have only had mine for a fortnight and so far its mainly been used for rats and its much better on rats than a 12ft/lb. I haven't had chance to take it out for bunnies and squirrels and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Sorry for being a bit dim but surely if its 3 times the power of a normal air rifle it should easily be capable of 50yds? so you normally use it between 20-40yds i guess then? I am thinking that I will probably go for around 30ftlbs unless I get a rapid which I would CONSIDER pushing it up to 45+ bracket but not really air efficent. It is easily capable at 50yds but I believe its a common misconception of the fac air rifle, i'm of the thinking its to be used to hit harder @ 30-35yds and not to shoot 3x times further. A rapid is capable of being pushed to god knows what same as the S10 but apparently they are more efficient running at 30ft/lbs. I have only had mine for a fortnight and so far its mainly been used for rats and its much better on rats than a 12ft/lb. I haven't had chance to take it out for bunnies and squirrels and such. ok fair enough just the reason I am thinking of it is the fact i want the increased range for corvids due to the open nature of my shoot, which also rules out rf's, as the land is open and I also don't have any exp so don't feel my skills and the ground suit the rf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 A lot of people are of the opinion that the FAC air rifle is a waste of time and you can do everything an air rifle does and more with a 22LR. You can easily zero a .22 Fac air rifle @ 50yds and shoot well past that, and it will still be easily as effective at 80yds as a 12ft/lbs at 50yds. With the bigger fac air rifles then I would believe that the range could possibly go out to 100yds, but then I, myself would be dubious of that range - but thats not to say its not capable and not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Have a shoot with someone who is EXPERIENCED with an FAC airgun. There are many misconceptions and assumptions that are made and I think you have highlighted a few of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Have a shoot with someone who is EXPERIENCED with an FAC airgun.There are many misconceptions and assumptions that are made and I think you have highlighted a few of them. Thanks snakebite, but what misonceptions and assumptions exactly??? Surely a gun pushing out 3 times the power, travelling a faster velocity is going to result in flatter trajectory and extended range? Will try and ask me neighbour to take me out but he is the only person i know with a FAC let alone FAC air rifle. As stated prior the land is quite reasonable around 120acres i guess just flat as a pancake so didn't want the rf option (plus my COMPLETE lack of rf and cf exp) so assumed the logical weapon of choice to give me slightly more range but safer would be a FAC air rifle. Realistically i am thinking of shooting between 30-80 (tops) yds so would a FAC air rifle around 30ftlbs not suffice? I know my neighbour has a 60ftlbs he shoots 70-140yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I know my neighbour has a 60ftlbs he shoots 70-140yds Personally IMO 140yds is way too far to be shooting an air rifle. even though the increased velocity does make the trajectory flatter but its still prone to wind conditions and pellet drop off. This is just my opinion and probably counts for nothing but shooting out to those ranges with an air rifle would take some extreme practice and countless hours familiarising yourself with the pellets trajectory and behaviour past normal zero ranges, even with a regged rifle that takes some doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Another one highlighted!! Imagine a Nissan Micra with a 100bhp engine that does 80mph. Now imagine a Ferrari with a 500bhp engine. Will it do 400mph? See how it works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Another one highlighted!! Imagine a Nissan Micra with a 100bhp engine that does 80mph. Now imagine a Ferrari with a 500bhp engine. Will it do 400mph? See how it works? Lol interesting analogy, however with car's you have different wieghts, gear ratios, suspension stiffness, ride height etc etc etc with regards to an air rifle you have different ftlb and different grain pellets. I am not aware of the terminal velocity for an air rifle pellet but imagine this is so high it definately does not come into the equation and although as speed increases as will air resistance the size of the pellet would result in minimal difference between 900ms and 1000ms! So as a result i would expect a somewhat linear relationship between ftlb (assuming same grain pellet used) and accurate distance. As with regards of my nieghbour, I personally have not seen him shoot so only have his word to go on. He is meant to be an incredibly good shot, puts pellets through polo's at 60yds and has been shooting his air rifle for a number of years, 140 is him pushing it with a fair bit of hold over and good conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08shooter Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 i shoot regularly at 60 to 70 possibly 80 on a good day with my s400 xtra,i can shoot coke tin groups at 100 but would never shoot at live quarry, no point in wounding it would be senseless. 140 in my opinion would be even less accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 i shoot regularly at 60 to 70 possibly 80 on a good day with my s400 xtra,i can shoot coke tin groups at 100 but would never shoot at live quarry, no point in wounding it would be senseless. 140 in my opinion would be even less accurate what ftlbs is your xtra? Thanks, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08shooter Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 33-35 ft lbs never checked but thats what the book says i know for a fact it strikes hard.it will put a bis mag through a traffic cone at 100 yards.i then had to dig the pellet out of a pallet i used as a backstop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Well I recently got a 30ftlb (Checked with my Combro, of course this can be turned up/down) Rapid Mk1 so fairly new to this myself although I have a .22 rimfire which I have had for a while now which has sorted out 100's of rabbitts out to 80yds and I will be doing the same with the air rifle in time. I have set the zero to 50yds on the air rifle which will do me for now and I am using 16gr AA Hunter pellets which all in all will give me a good range try playing around with programs like chairgun to see what you can get with various pellet weight's / fltb's so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Well I recently got a 30ftlb (Checked with my Combro, of course this can be turned up/down) Rapid Mk1 so fairly new to this myself although I have a .22 rimfire which I have had for a while now which has sorted out 100's of rabbitts out to 80yds and I will be doing the same with the air rifle in time. I have set the zero to 50yds on the air rifle which will do me for now and I am using 16gr AA Hunter pellets which all in all will give me a good range try playing around with programs like chairgun to see what you can get with various pellet weight's / fltb's so to speak. So you reckon a rapid would be happily able to shoot corvids & rabbits out to 80yds? What ftlbs would you use for that, assuming your using aa fields? Thanks, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 On the range issue, bear in mind that a HMR runs at 250 ft-lbs, and is good to 200m at a hard push in perfect conditions. 100 yards with an air gun must be pushing it a bit even at 80 ft-lbs, and ammo quality and design has a lot to do with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJaxeman Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Like I said above new to this so not sure how I would do about going out to 80 maybe heavier pellet / increase of ftlbs would do the trick not ready for the jump yet still having fun with it as is (Again a play with chair gun will help) , so will let you know when I do. But one thing I will say if you do get a FAC rapid then if it's got the original evo sound mod on it bin it and get a decent one because they is realy loud, I bough a AWT sound Mod but there are many others out there that will also do a good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted April 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 On the range issue, bear in mind that a HMR runs at 250 ft-lbs, and is good to 200m at a hard push in perfect conditions. 100 yards with an air gun must be pushing it a bit even at 80 ft-lbs, and ammo quality and design has a lot to do with that. yes but bear in mind .22lr subs are used to around 70yds and only travel at 1025fps which using a 16gr pellet only requires 37ftlbs to reach the same velocity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 A dozen shots in the field are worth more than all the computer programmes in the world. If you are serious about getting an FAC airgun go and have a go with your mates to see what YOU are capable of. Failing that get down a club and have a go. Talking about it only goes so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 A dozen shots in the field are worth more than all the computer programmes in the world. If you are serious about getting an FAC airgun go and have a go with your mates to see what YOU are capable of. Failing that get down a club and have a go. Talking about it only goes so far. :lol: Practice makes perfect and also a better judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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