gavaroo Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Hi guys, I'm just looking for some advice from any of you that can help with this... On Monday I ordered a Shotgun for £95 (£110 inc P&P and paid via a debit card)from a gun shop in England but had to get it posted up to me in Scotland. I therefore phoned a local gun shop who informed me that they would require a transfer fee of £25 which I beleive is the standard charge and which I agreed to pay. Now normally I go to another gun shop, which is about 15miles away, but as I was in a rush for the gun (supposed to be using it tomorrow) I decided to just go with a more local shop as they were charging the same amount and I was getting the same gun anyway. However, I called them today to arrange to collect the gun and the guy said that they had it there but that he didn't have his transfer fee (£25) from the shop in England. I then said that I was going to be giving him the transfer fee and not to worry about it. However, it turns out that he wants £25 from both of us (£50 in total), which was never the origonal plan unless the other gun shop had agreed this (but I think this is very unlikely on a £95 gun). The problem is that I couldn't contact the other shop as they are off on a Wednesday so he said that he would only release the gun if I gave him £50. To cut a long story short (well shorter anyway ) I contacted consumer advice who informed me that, under Scottish Law, I had a legally binding verbal contract and that he was obliged by Law to hand over the gun if I gave him the £25 regardless of any agreement with another 3rd party and that this was nothing to do with me. I since informed him of this and he said "and what if I refuse to given you the gun then" to which my reply was "well, you would be breaking the law". I then added that I was coming down to collect the gun and he said not to and that he was going to make some phone calls and phone me back. However, I left for the shop anyway to find that he had left early (at 1445) and was nowhere to be seen. Clearly, shooting with the gun tomorrow is no longer an option but I'm just wondering where to go with this tomorrow if the other shop refuses to pay him £25 and he refuses to release the gun unless I give him £50? I can't believe this has become such a big bloody mess for a £95 gun which I now feel is being held ransome to me by a total conman. Has anyone else experiences anything like this before or got any idea of what to do? Cheers, Gav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graylag Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Hi it's true that most gun shops do get a fee but only from the one beying the gun ''ie'' you'' the shop were you got it from should not have to pay and £25 is about the right price he is trying it on i think. Have you spoke to the other shot about the matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 What normally happens is that the Sellers RFD receives his fee from the Seller (who probably adds it on the price of the gun), then you have the Couriers fee (which the Buyer normally agree to pay - about £35), then your RFD wants his fee (which you normally pay). All in all you are looking at about £70-85 to transfer a gun. Of course if both the Seller and Buyer are good customers of their relevant RFD's, it possible they would waive all or part of their fees, but there is still the Courier charges to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavaroo Posted April 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Cheers for the replies guys. I bought the gun from a gun shop in England (through guntrader.co.uk) and they then shipped the gun up to a local RFD for me (and I paid the £15 shipping costs). The problem is that the local gun shop wants payment from both me and the shop where I purchased the gun from but he never mentioned this previously. I need to speak to the shop where I purchased the gun from tomorrow as they were off all day today but I imagine I'm going to have a big head ache ahead of me with this. I can't help but think that the guy in the shop up here is "just at it" too. Just wish I had driven the extra miles and stuck to my usual gun shop. Cheers, Gav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 you have agreed and paid for this gun from the original seller,that is who your legally binding contract is with not with this ripoff merchant. pay him the 25.00 quid for the paperwork side and take the gun (it is legally yours) or advise him you will take take legal proceedings against him and if he so wishes he can do the same for the other 25.00 quid from the other gunshop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavaroo Posted April 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Cheers, I totally agree. The only thing is, I just can't see him saying ok here it is then and handing the gun over. Or even worse, he hands it over with a big dent or scratch in it (might just be being paraniod here though but just getting a real bad feeling from the guy). Will hopefully all be a bit clearer once I speak to the shop where I bought it Cheers, Gav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavaroo Posted April 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 (edited) Ok, the gun is now in my possesion and everything has been resolved but unfortunately, "The Rod and Gun Rack" (Motherwell) did get there £50 transfer fee in the end which I am not very happy about at all. However, R. Bamford in Chorley, where the gun was purchased from, agreed to pay the additional £25 fee even though this was never the original deal. I must add that they were really great and very helpful and it's just a real pain that they have ended up £25 out of pocket becasue of this. I must say that I have learned a valuable lesson here and will be sticking with my normal gun shop from now on, even if it is a bit of a drive away. Furthermore, I wouldn't hesitate to buy from R.Bamford in the future but somehow I don't think I will be in any rush to visit The Rod and Gun Rack again. Thanks to everyone who replied to my post and I hope that this sort of thing doesn't happen to anyone else on this site. Cheers, Gav Edited April 18, 2008 by gavaroo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 when i bought a gun from down south..... i paid the sellers rfd fee of £25 and then i paid my rfd £15 for his stuff... i think someone has been ripped off here bigstyle.... name and shame dealer and location..... shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 when i bought a gun from down south..... i paid the sellers rfd fee of £25 and then i paid my rfd £15 for his stuff... i think someone has been ripped off here bigstyle.... name and shame dealer and location..... shaun Did you read the posts previous to yours ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 when i bought a gun from down south..... i paid the sellers rfd fee of £25 and then i paid my rfd £15 for his stuff... i think someone has been ripped off here bigstyle.... name and shame dealer and location..... shaun Did you read the posts previous to yours ? ooops..... :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Make sure you tell them that for the sake of £25 their name will now be mud around the shooting community! If nothing else it will make you feel better! :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavaroo Posted April 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 (edited) I must admit that when I was in the shop collecting the gun yesterday, every bit of me wanted to tell the guy exactly what I thought of his behaviour :( . However, I somehow managed to keep cool (but was probably still very rude) because I thought that if I uttered one word it would just have led to more, I would have got even angrier and it just isn't worth it. At the end of the day, he has effectively lost almost half a days buisness by leaving early on the Wednesday, then possibly even more through this post, what I will pass on to my friends and people I shoot with and from what Bamford may also pass on to customers and shops that they deal with... and all of this for an extra £25! I think that he may actually have lost out more than anyone else from this in the long run. Cheers, Gav. Edited April 18, 2008 by gavaroo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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