Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hi, I have just received my firearms cert today. Worded to shoot anywhere deemed suitable ( or words to the effect ) !! They have reduced my application for ammunition to Buy 500 and hold 600 I did request Buy 1000 and hold 1200 ( I expected this really as it has been happening to almost everyone I know ) I sent a explanatory letter in with the application stating reasons why I needed 1000 rounds and the scale of my work justified the numbers. But I suppose I will have to ask for an amendment after a while to buy more ammo. PS: If you request 1000 rounds as your " to buy " number do not use the they are cheaper in 1000's as a excuse as you will be told cost does not come above safety so they can not take any costs as a factor in an application. It means regular trips to the dealers now thats all. ( PPS : If this happens to you ask the dealer to give you the 1000 price and pay for them and collect 500 on two separate occasions ) The dealer I went to has given me a good price. Regards Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rec-baller Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 CONGRATULATIONS !!! on getting youre F.A.C it looks like its a closed cert if it,s youre first one,,also they will probably only allow you a "small" amount of ammo on youre first cert, just because it,s cheaper buying a thousand rounds is not an excuse to be allowed 1000 rounds on youre cert, all i did was wait for 12 months put a variation in for another .22lr and doubled ALL My allowances ( .17 HMR +.22 LR) which was granted, i was also told to wait for 18 months before applying for an open cert shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 CONGRATULATIONS !!! on getting youre F.A.C it looks like its a closed cert if it,s youre first one,,also they will probably only allow you a "small" amount of ammo on youre first cert, just because it,s cheaper buying a thousand rounds is not an excuse to be allowed 1000 rounds on youre cert, all i did was wait for 12 months put a variation in for another .22lr and doubled ALL My allowances ( .17 HMR +.22 LR) which was granted, i was also told to wait for 18 months before applying for an open cert shaun No its definitely not a closed cert. I can shoot anywhere with permission and deemed suitable. I will post the wording exact the morra as my cert is locked away right now. I have had my FAC before for years I handed it in when I began Taxi driving a few year ago as I had no time to use the rifle. . I have an explanatory letter to the amount of ammo they have allowed me. I will also post the wording on here the morra as its locked up as well..... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) That wording means YOU can only shoot on land deemed sutable by the CHIEF OF POLICE for the caliber of riffle you hold. IT IS NOT AN OPEN TICKET Edited October 21, 2008 by winchester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbithunter Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Steve that a closed ticket mate . Mine,s open and it say,s on land which the holder has lawful authority to shoot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I get you ! sorry. i have got the cert now it says..... 5, The .22 rifle with sound moderator and .22 ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and for zeroing on ranges, or land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. 6, The certificate holder may possess, purchase or acquire expanding ammunition, or the missiles of such ammunition, in the calibers authorised by this certificate and use only in the connection with the shooting of vermin. end of conditions Thats what it says Regards Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Sorry I forgot the wording but thats what it says. Regards Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbithunter Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Steve What rifle you got or going to get . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Steve What rifle you got or going to get . .22 rim fire My license says Firearms to be purchased or acquired. .22 sound moderator quantity 1 and .22 Rifle quantity 1 Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) I have just bought a cz 16" synthetic stock, blue barrel with moderator and 50mm scope Got it tonight. Regards Steve PS: Please tell me if the wording means that this cert is restricted ! I have a pest control business and travel wide and far doing work so I need to take the .22 where need be. If its wrong I will get onto them as I sent a letter to explain the circumstances with the application.. Steve Edited October 21, 2008 by Steve Henderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbithunter Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Steve the way i was told if your cert has( land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police) on it then yes it,s restricted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Steve the way i was told if your cert has( land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police) on it then yes it,s restricted Does that not mean land suitable for using a rifle of the caliber on ? EG: land that the chief officer of police would see fit and safe to use the rifle ? Please feel free to offer advice on this. My wording says The .22 rifle with sound moderator and .22 ammunition shall be used for shooting vermin and for zeroing on ranges, or land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. So I take it that means anywhere that is safe to do so and I have permission to do so. Am I wrong ? Regards Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) If you read my first post,i hate to say it ,I TOLD YOUso, lADS THE ONE THING I DO KNOW IS FIREARMS LAW but still **** at spelling lol Just read your post 1) YOU must have a piece of land where you have permision to shoot, 2) Tat land has to be deemed safe for the use of the caliber you own , Put it this way if you go off the land passes by your chief plod you will be in deep poo , the stips on you licence MUST be CEPT TO Edited October 21, 2008 by winchester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 PS: Please tell me if the wording means that this cert is restricted ! its restricted to land that has been passed. safety precaution with a lot of new applicants, that you have had a fac a few years back does not matter as you start again from the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 steve, your gonna need that cert opening up unless ALL the land you intend to carry out vermin control has been cleared for firearms use by the local police for that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 PS: Please tell me if the wording means that this cert is restricted ! its restricted to land that has been passed. safety precaution with a lot of new applicants, that you have had a fac a few years back does not matter as you start again from the beginning. Hmmm. My friend has a "what I call a closed cert" His cert states the farm name on it, and that seems like he can shoot nowhere else apart from there. Mine has no "nominated" farm on it. Please advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Mine has no "nominated" farm on it. because you can use it on land deemed suitable blah de blah, he cant. if the land you want to go on has been passed your ok, if not you need to get it passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Mine has no "nominated" farm on it. because you can use it on land deemed suitable blah de blah, he cant. if the land you want to go on has been passed your ok, if not you need to get it passed. Please tell me what it should say. I will get on the phone first thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbithunter Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Give Ponteland HQ a ring in the morning and have a word . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 If your cert says ON LAND PASSED BY THE CHIEF COUNSTABLE and the land has been passed your ok if it hasnot OOOOP[s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...ghlite=open+fac have a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Please excuse me if the information I have been told here is wrong. I just rang a member of a local shooting club that seems to know the know. He said....If the land is not deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area where the land is situated it should not be shot on anyways so any shooter would be overstepping the boundary's of safety and be breeching the terms of a certificate. He said the wording is in place as opposed to using the wording "anywhere" which would be highly unsafe. Please tell me what is printed on your certificates that makes them "open" ? I really need more info on this and I will take it up with licensing in the morning. Please post your cert wording. Regards Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...%20fac&st=0 read this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Open and Closed FACs A Closed FAC is one where the conditions attached to it allow you only to shoot on land which has been passed by the Chief Officer of Police, for the area where the land is situated. This means that if you wish to shoot over a piece of land, you will need to contact your Licensing Department and ask them whether it has been passed or not. If it has not, then an Enquiry Officer will need to inspect it. If it has, then you will need to find out what calibres of firearm it has been passed for. If it has been passed for the calibres you want to shoot then Happy Days! An Open FAC is one where you can shoot over any piece of land which you have permission on as long as you deem it suitable for the calibre you are shooting. You normally get an Open FAC when you renew after five years, though you can apply for it earlier, the unofficial minimum seems to be 12 months. copied from another forum by the way. Edited October 21, 2008 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Henderson Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thanks for the info. I will have to phone HQ in the morning to ask more. I will post the answer they give me. I have read Closed ticket = Only land named on the certificate Semi-Open ticket = On any land deemed suitable by the chief of police for the force area which the land is situated Open certificate = any land on which you have lawful permission from the landowner and you deem suitable to shoot In the link you sent me that seems to be the common answer. I have also been told from a good friend that there is no thing as an open cert and if you ask for one it will be an unrecognized request. I will see what happens in the morning Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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