SNAKEBITE Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Went out shooting today and got a pheasant in my sights on two occasions. However I am not sure I could legally bag him. I am shooting on land with the owners permission and the shot was a dead cert head shot from 20 yards but had to let him go rather than pull a moody. What should I have done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patsmash Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 dont shoot pheasants on a sunday mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Ilegal to shoot pheasants on a sunday or any time without a game licence! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted January 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Thanks for the advice!! Don't want to get a bad name for me or others. Damned shame though, I had pheasent in Red wine yesterday for dinner (NOT shot by me!) a recipe from "River cottage year" a book I got for X-mas, Fancied it again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddbob Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Another thing to bear in mind, quite apart from the Sunday and game laws, is that to shoot anything you have to have the permission of the land owner first. This is even more important if you apply for your FAC, as it will be on the certificate what you are allowed to shoot. The land you shoot on may have a syndicate who have paid to rear and shoot pheasants, and they never seem to like us taking 'their' birds. But, if you had a game licence and the landowners permission, and it's in season, then it is legal to shoot a pheasant with an airgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shootist Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Game licences are cheap. You only need a blue one £4 now to cover you for the rest of the season. Full year is £6 In addition make sure not only you have permission to shoot but that permission expressly inlcudes game. As many shoots are "vermin-only". Also pheasants are big birds so dont even think of a body shot. Head shots only. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled_cky Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 shooting any game or wildfowl on a sunday is very ILLEGAL. Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 shooting any wildfowl on a sunday is very ILLEGAL.Aled Especially with toxic shot Aled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled_cky Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 oh yes, and shooting with Toxic Shot is illegal aswell.. Ern, he was shooting on a sunday, so i said about shooting on sunday, not about the toxic and non-toxic laws. Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Ern, he was shooting on a sunday, so i said about shooting on sunday, not about the toxic and non-toxic laws.Aled Aled if you read his post, you will see he did the sensible thing and didn't shoot the pheasant anyway because he wasn't sure. Could you honestly hold your hand up and say you would have done the same? A very commendable action in my opinion SNAKEBITE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled_cky Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 i hadn't seen a pheasant ever before around my house almsot this time last year, i had the 410 with me.... but it was the day after the end of the pheasant season. but i could have shot this pheasant that i ran into when out rough shooting crows, but i knew it was the day after the end of the season so i just let it run from 5metres away from me.. i just wouldnt shoot a pheasant with a air rifle anyway.. i wouldnt call it 'fair play'. Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted January 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Ern, he was shooting on a sunday, so i said about shooting on sunday, not about the toxic and non-toxic laws. Aled Aled if you read his post, you will see he did the sensible thing and didn't shoot the pheasant anyway because he wasn't sure. Could you honestly hold your hand up and say you would have done the same? A very commendable action in my opinion SNAKEBITE. It took a lot of convincing myself I can tell you! Still there is plenty of other targets out there! Oh "TOXIC SHOT" is that Lead pellets? Someone I know says he has to use "cast shot(?)" over wetlands because lead shot pollutes the water. Is this the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Oh "TOXIC SHOT" is that Lead pellets? Toxic shot is indeed lead pellets and has been illegal for use on any wildfowl for two seasons now, either inland or over wetland in England and Wales. Scotland have yet to ban it I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTaylor2k4 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 i hadn't seen a pheasant ever before around my house almsot this time last year, i had the 410 with me.... but it was the day after the end of the pheasant season. but i could have shot this pheasant that i ran into when out rough shooting crows, but i knew it was the day after the end of the season so i just let it run from 5metres away from me..i just wouldnt shoot a pheasant with a air rifle anyway.. i wouldnt call it 'fair play'. Aled y isnt it 'fair play'? you can shoot it with a shotty but i can't shoot it with my air rifle.. it's alot harder aswell plus i'd only go for a headshot (12ft/lb) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddbob Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Is game and wildfowl being mixed up here? Lead shot is still legal on both, it is where it is used, usually over wetlands or SSIs that lead shot is banned. And I know a young lad of 16, who, knowing no better at the time, was sat in his garden, in a town garden at that, shooting targets with his Crosman 766. He had been shooting for sometime, his trusty retriever cat sat by his side, just in case a sparrow should drop out one of the trees in the garden. Suddenly, the cat did that slinky walk thing they do when they've seen something, and covered the 20 yards over the lawn to the vegetable patch in 10 seconds flat, only to come scuttling back at twice the speed with her ears flat against her head and hid in the house. The very next thing, a big cock pheasant came strutting out onto the garden path! Despite all the noise of pumping-up loading and shooting, that bird had been sat with the rest off the veggies the whole time. The story goes that he fell with one Eley Wasp in the head, and was had for x-mas dinner a few days later! So, it is obvious that with a well placed shot, pheasant can be taken with airrifles. I would guess that 766 was making about 9.5-10 ftlbs at the muzzle, and it was a 20 yard shot, so if you have a game licence, it's not Sunday or xmas day and all the other legal bits are addressed, go get your bird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Lead shot is still legal on both, it is where it is used, usually over wetlands or SSIs that lead shot is banned. :< Lead shot is ILLEGAL on any wildfowl whether it be over wetland, dryland or in your back garden. A single shot gun be it rifle or airgun can still be used on wildfowl using a lead bullet. Game birds can still be shot with lead as can any corvids or vermin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled_cky Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 what Ern said.... very stupid the law about airguns and rifles can be used.. but then both can bounce off the funny thing is.. on all of the ponds around my way theres almsot no way the lead would be able to land in the pond on its return journey.. i was just down the pond, and took a shot at a crow that was passing over, i made sure i was aiming almost directly upwards... waited about a minute and still no splashes they came came down and landed on the pond.. stupid law for ponds around here as the biggest pond i have seen in my area is 110metres X 100metres and that is were alot of the mallard breed so we dont shoot on it. the one i flight on is about 60metres x 10metres and its a big one for around here Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddbob Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I sit corrected :*) , if I were to get a hankering after goose or duck then I would have checked up first, but I was under the impression that the likes of canada geese on farmland could be controlled with lead. I thought it was just wetland, because of falling shot landing in the water and the birds injesting it. Even at my age I can still learn a thing or two. Still, I don't have to do it on my shoot thankfully, but what is the reason they can't be taken with lead shot over farmland? That would be the only time I would have to shoot geese, as cattle are grazed on my shoot and they won't eat grass that geese have been on, due to their droppings. Why cattle turn their noses up at goose she-ite when you see the mess they make is beyond me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled_cky Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Why cattle turn their noses up at goose she-ite when you see the mess they make is beyond me though. good point i'm unsure about shooting geese, as you asked, what about Canada Geese? is it Non-Toxic aswell?? i've recently aquired land to shoot rabbits on.. and i know they have the only flock of canada geese in the parish and was wondering would i have to use my Bismuths or could it be lead?? Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddbob Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I await the answer on that one, but talking of Canadians, there was a good link on the Jackson Rifles web site about Canadian snipers in Afganistan, using rifles chambered in .50bmg One of them took a at 1400yards, or meters, can't remember which, but if they have that sort of shooting ability then they can eat what grass they want, I aint messing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Canada geese are no different to any other wildfowl as regards the law on non-toxic shot. At first I thought how stupid the law was when ducks,geese etc are quite common things to be seen over agriculture land but the reason is obvious when you think about it. If you shot a wildfowl over wetland with lead but were then stopped when loading it into your vehicle and subsequently it was found to have lead shot in it , what would you say in your defence? "Oh I shot that one when it was flying inland away from the water so it's o.k." or "I know I have done wrong but please don't take my licence off me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 What happend to inocent until proven guilty?? or does that not apply to hunters!! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millo2 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I thought the lead shot only applied near bodies of water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I thought the lead shot only applied near bodies of water :< Well if you haven't read this thread then I am not going to repeat it. There won't be any need to worry about it in a couple of years time anyway because while people still claim to not know the law or continue to ignore it, lead will be banned completely. This will be for ALL shooting including clays so the rising price of lead will no longer be a worry compared to the price of non-toxic alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 What happend to inocent until proven guilty?? or does that not apply to hunters!! Dave Nothing happened to " innocent until proved guilty." By having a complete ban on any wildfowl being shot with lead, anyone found shooting them with it is obviously guilty so whether it is near water or not does not come into it. Anyway you should know by now that anybody who owns guns is considered guilty by the non shooting fraternity . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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