Steel100
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Yes, the law in NI is quite different in several respects. Some ways a lot tighter and some ways a lot more sensible.
Andy
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Houlsby, I am secretary of a HO approved club near Maltby, J1 M18. We shoot BP pistol, air pistol and LBP/ revolver. Please feel free to contact me via here or PM if you are interested in more info.
Unfortunately, LBP / LBR and large mag s1 shotguns may only be used by the certificate holder. The law is crystal clear; I've had direct discussion with the HO on this matter. I really wish it was different and I'm personally doing all I can to change things.
Remember, there are no consequences if the police get it wrong - there ARE consequences for you or me!
Kind regards and safe shooting
Andy
Lodge PIstol Club
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Should say on the frame. Otherwise, photo?
ATB
Andy
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The HO are currently going through a process, in consultation with the shooting organisations, to 'tidy up' some of the typos etc. and reflect the changes brought about by introducing the new forms. That consultation officially concluded on Monday 11 November.
That doesn't mean the process has ended. The next job will be for the HO to start addressing the list of unresolved issues, which the shooting organisations have flagged up.
This is an ongoing process. Having an 'online' document means that changes can be made as they are agreed.
Andy
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I have enough trouble loading a 30 rd mag!
I've handled a Thompson with a 50 rd mag and they are very heavy, the 100 rd mags were really for static use. Due to it's position, the helical mag on the Calico actually balances quite well (from very distant memory). Practical use of such items is another matter. Far better off with smaller, cheaper, more reliable mags. and learning how to do a fast mag change - if you really need that sort of thing.
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If you read the Acts carefully, you'll see that there is a slight difference, in that s2 parts can be held without benefit of a shotgun certificate. NOT the whole gun, though. Very interesting argument. Some police get very excited. Technically, if you have a s1 shotgun and the barrel will only fit that gun then, it's s1. However, (can of worms open at this point) .... If you have a s1 and s2 shotgun both of which can take the same barrel and the barrel has a separate s/n which is not listed on your FAC then, one might argue that it can be deemed to be s2. A friend has a s1 pump with two barrels. The police have asked him to have both on his FAC but neither have a number on them, so how do you identify them as s1? Personally, I think that, separate from the gun they are s2. With the gun, s1. Crazy, crazy!
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I was at Bisley over the last weekend and slug was going from £53 / 100 up to about £70/100, if that's any help.
Andy
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As previously stated, the new document can be downloaded from the HO website. However, if you like the feel of paper, it is also available as a hard copy, presumably, from HMSO and the ISBN is:
978-1-78246-010-7
Enjoy
Andy
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I'd be VERY interested in the details. A Belgian friend of mine collects sub-machine guns and is always on the lookout for different Marks of Sten.
Andy
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Ben,
What do you mean by 'old'? Are you talking muzzle-loading or, breech-loading? If breech-loading, rifle or shotgun? I might be able to point you in the right direction. I'm secretary of the Northern members group of the Historical Breechloading Smallarms Association, which has a monthly lecture programme at the Royal Armouries in Leeds. We have members with a diverse range of interests and if it's a breech-loader 'we' should be able to help. Either via here or PM, if you prefer.
Kind regards
Andy
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As Dekers says, it's NOT law it is a Guide ... and yes, I am already aware of at least one force which has read and are working to the 'new' Guidance. Also, as JonathanL has commented, until Parliament make changes in primary legislation the best we can expect is some tinkering at the edges. I do however, expect to see some material changes when the new certificate format is introduced.
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Still many anomalies and contradictions but at least there is now ongoing dialogue and the opportunity to revisit contentious issues or ambiguities.
A
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As it says,
Hot off the press, so to speak.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-law-guidance-to-the-police-2012
Enjoy!
Andy
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Wymberley,
As far as I'm aware, the only additional condition that can go onto a SGC is in respect of collecting 'walking stick' / 'umbrella' type shotguns.
Andrew
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May be a bit late ...BUT if the ammo uses expanding bullets, does the other party have a condition permitting them to have expanding ammo? Unless their certificate permits expanding ammo they can't have it.
Rgds
Andy
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jimmyb79
Kent are talking utter nonsense! I live in South Yorkshire and they used to insist the same.
Andy
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Bostonmick,
NO. YOU retain title unless you say otherwise. They are your property. You are simply having someone (who has legal authority) to store them. Be aware, it may be quite expensive £'s per gun per week. Discuss this with local rfd's to suss out the best price. If the police have been slow in re-issuing a certificate you might have a case for charging them for storage. If you are a member of BASC or similar, have a chat with them.
If you are just talking about shotguns and not rifles, it would be easier and cheaper to work out a deal with a friend or friends who have SGCs and 'lend' the guns to them. Once your sgc is re-issued they could then write them back on to your certificate.
All the best
Andy
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No valid certificate (or permit) means illegal possession, unless you are exempt from the requirement to have a certificate. The police have no authority to say otherwise.
The only other legal option is for the guns to be stored by an RFD or other suitably certified person. E.G if you new someone who had a spare 'slot' on their FAC, they could hold the gun for you. Not an option for those of us with quite a few guns!
Andy
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It always was in black and white; people (mainly the police) just ignored the law because it was convenient for them and they didn't need to live with the consequences of being in illegal possession.
Incidentally, some of the 'new' Guidance is actually something of an improvement on what we had before, still a work in progress, though.
Andy
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I think that you'll find that it's the other way round.
The originals were '.45' and very shortly after start of production they started calling them a '.44'. As mentioned, they are all bored for.457" ball.
To really confuse things, Ruger don't mark them with the calibre! Instead, look for the UK or other CIP proof marks, usually to be found under the hinged loading lever. It will usually say .44". Mine is quite early, a blued (with brass frame) .44" dated 1975.
So, as stated, unless it's a really early one - a friend of mine has a .45 and a .44 - you'll be looking of a variation for a .44 m/l.
Do check which it is before you buy, some police forces are not as understanding as others ...
Oh, they usually shoot very well.
Andy
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If they want your guns they'll come when you are in and 'ask' for them!!
Andy
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I bought some of these from a retailer. Yes, they are expensive. Yes, they are (in my opinion) very good; I only have two eyes!
Mine are with the 'carrier' which gives a clip-in optically corrected lens.
Andy
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TBirdX - I've just measured the 12g one that I have (it's metal, not plastic) and is only 59mm - a tad too short for what you want, I believe.
Andy
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Wild rover 77 - are you saying that your local firearms licensing are allowing you to use a piece of paper attached to a SGC? I know from past experience that some force licensing departments do some weird stuff - afterall they aren't the ones who get into trouble. Personally, I think you are on very thin ice to put it mildly! I firmly stick by my previous comments.
Best wishes
Andy
Handgun ranges? Yorkshire
in General Shooting Matters
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"Is there still anyware in the uk you can turn up and shoot same as in America?"
Within GB, you cannot normally, simply turn up at a HO approved club and shoot. The HO rules for approved clubs specifically preclude doing that. You are NOT allowed to shoot on your first visit.
You can turn up at a clay ground and 'have a go'; provided that they are suitably authorised - Section 11(6).
Alternatively, one could be invited to a HO approved club 'Guest Day' or, one of the miniature rifle ranges which are exempted from the need for certification {Section 11(4)}.
Outside of a club/range environment Section 11 (5) exemption applies in respect of shotguns and Section 16 (1) in respect of rifles, with the limits, as explained in each of the respective exemptions.
By the time you've read through that lot, either in the original Acts and Statutory Instruments or, latest Guidance, you'll probably want a cup of tea or a stiff whisky. 'They' don't like to make it easy for us!
Andy